Welcome guest, is this your first visit? Create Account now to join.
  • Login:

Welcome to the NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.

Sarvo DPT


User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 13 of 13
Like Tree12Likes
  • 7 Post By gimp
  • 1 Post By Moutere
  • 3 Post By Happy Jack
  • 1 Post By sore head stoat

Thread: Search and Rescue contacts for NZ - PLB and inReach or SPOT

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Waikato
    Posts
    1,220

    Search and Rescue contacts for NZ - PLB and inReach or SPOT

    Hi, what are the Search and Rescue organisations your PLB / inReach or whatever might connect to ?

    The traditional PLB seems to go to Cospas/Sarstat which sounds as if it works well in NZ. The PLB is primarily 406 MHz to satellites and also has a 121.5 MHz homing signal which is supposed to help that last little bit at the end.

    The Garmin inReach goes via Iridium (sat phone) satellites to "GEOS" which as far as I can tell is just a Garmin only service that passes on mesages to local SAR organisations but I can't figure out who in NZ. Some forum posts report good responses.

    What is the RCCNZ ? A NZ outfit TrackMe apparently send their inReach messages there. Is that the same as the Garmin service or different ?

    Could you just txt message from an InReach to NZ Land SAR via 111 ?

    I think I've only got half the story here. Can anyone point me to fulling in the current NZ picture ?

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Hamilton
    Posts
    2,102
    My understanding is the Cospas-Sarstat system gets your signal, and they pass on the info to the RCCNZ who then organise the search and rescue response.
    For search and rescue emergencies via the 111 system you contact the police, and they coordinate things with the other agencies.

  3. #3
    By Popular Demand gimp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The Big H
    Posts
    8,238
    RCCNZ is the Rescue Coordination Centre NZ, it is the offical NZ centralised agency for SAR calls via PLB etc.


    https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/about...esponse/RCCNZ/


    A PLB is the most effective "oh fuck" satellite comms tool for emergency rescue bar none.

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Tasman
    Posts
    1,134
    Bagheera,
    Garmin advise RCC of emergencies through their system.
    They provide RCC any information that they have on the nature of the emergency and a position(s) for the unit.
    RCC then coordinate and task the appropriate SAR response: vessel, aircraft or ground team(s).

    Interestingly, RCC recently ran some regional seminars. They advised that long term PLBs are headed towards two way messaging.
    Pengy likes this.

  5. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Tasman
    Posts
    1,134
    An encoded PLB is the most effective "oh fuck" satellite comms tool for emergency rescue bar none.
    Great advice.
    Caution that some older 406 beacons arenít all GPS encoded. They can potentially have a small margin of positional error that encoded units donít.
    Last edited by Moutere; 11-04-2021 at 02:30 AM. Reason: Expansion

  6. #6
    Gkp
    Gkp is offline
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2018
    Location
    Queenstown
    Posts
    773
    I am still having on going issues with messages not sending

  7. #7
    Gkp
    Gkp is offline
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2018
    Location
    Queenstown
    Posts
    773
    On the I reach. Going to cancel it.

  8. #8
    Member Happy Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    Hanmer Springs
    Posts
    820
    All of the InReach stuff goes via Tony at Trackme Link here they have their own call centre, it is as far as I can remember separate to Garmin but they have the contract from Garmin so its all official. Have met him a couple of times as he has been up from Chch to do some training with our SAR group.

    When you hit the SOS button on an InReach they will text you to try and find out the nature of the emergency so that as much info as possible can be passed on to the Police who co-ordinate All SAR operations (they fund them so have to keep control), this can take time and InReach texting can be delayed.

    A PLB when you hit the button goes straight to RCC who will just put a chopper in the air weather permitting, so should in most circumstances be a much faster recovery option.

    Hope this answers your questions.

    InReach is a great tool if you can justify the cost each month (I can't) but it shouldn't replace a PLB but should complement it.
    Last edited by Happy Jack; 11-04-2021 at 09:09 AM.
    rugerman, Pengy and Gkp like this.

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Waikato
    Posts
    1,220
    Thanks guys, very helpful.
    The inreach sounds pretty good for txt communication but not ready yet to be your main rescue gizmo.
    The inreach mini is only half the weight of my McMurdo PLB.
    I'm also put off by the cost of the subscription, like 300-$400 a year. It's like buying a printer and paying a double for ink within a couple of years. Must be a few of them lying around unused.
    My PLB battery has another year to go and I'll think more about it then, see if the PLB scene has moved at all.

  10. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2019
    Location
    Canterbury
    Posts
    254
    Quote Originally Posted by Bagheera View Post
    Thanks guys, very helpful.
    The inreach sounds pretty good for txt communication but not ready yet to be your main rescue gizmo.
    The inreach mini is only half the weight of my McMurdo PLB.
    I'm also put off by the cost of the subscription, like 300-$400 a year. It's like buying a printer and paying a double for ink within a couple of years. Must be a few of them lying around unused.
    My PLB battery has another year to go and I'll think more about it then, see if the PLB scene has moved at all.
    The In reach is marginal at best, dangerous at worst.. I have a couple of mates in Fiordland at present and i am texting them weather forecasts daily sometimes twice daily.. My guess they are getting 1 in 3 of them ? They are getting the odd message out saying are you sending forecasts ? we are getting nothing. I wouldnt have one if i was paid to.
    Kimber 7mm-08 likes this.

  11. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2020
    Location
    Arrowtown
    Posts
    135
    Quote Originally Posted by sore head stoat View Post
    The In reach is marginal at best, dangerous at worst.. I have a couple of mates in Fiordland at present and i am texting them weather forecasts daily sometimes twice daily.. My guess they are getting 1 in 3 of them ? They are getting the odd message out saying are you sending forecasts ? we are getting nothing. I wouldnt have one if i was paid to.
    We struggled in our Wap block this year with our InReach Mini. Messages out of sinc, and I'm guessing some never arrived judging from some of confused messaging going on.

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Arrowtown
    Posts
    1,098
    I've experienced similar issues in Fiordland when using the inReach mini. I think the primary issue is the length of time you give the unit to send and receive the messages. You have to be patient... give it some time. If you turn it on, send a message and turn it off shortly afterwards you're asking for trouble. I've seen 20 minute and 30 minute delays in some of those classic glacial valleys where communication is likely limited by the number of visible satellites - obviously your horizon is limited to satellites pretty much directly above you.

  13. #13
    Member Happy Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    Hanmer Springs
    Posts
    820
    Yes it is a known fact that it can take a long time for messages to go in and out depending on terrain and how much sky can be seen.

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. Garmin InReach Mini vs Spot Gen 4
    By Preacher in forum Gear and Equipment
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 21-12-2020, 11:54 AM
  2. How to become a search and rescue volunteer?
    By Chelsea in forum Volunteers
    Replies: 31
    Last Post: 02-05-2020, 06:29 PM
  3. Search And Rescue
    By Dundee in forum Other outdoors, sports, huts and tracks
    Replies: 187
    Last Post: 16-07-2018, 09:19 PM
  4. Spot satellite messenger, aka findme SPOT
    By ROKTOY in forum Gear and Equipment
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 19-09-2017, 10:44 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Welcome to NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums! We see you're new here, or arn't logged in. Create an account, and Login for full access including our FREE BUY and SELL section Register NOW!!