Thread: Swazi - Davey’s semiautomatic stance .

Originally Posted by Ground Control

This is one I found quickly, there are more out there where he elaborates his views .

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-count...ectid=12215228

Swazi and H&F are the first that come to mind when I think of “ bite the hand that feeds “

Cant say I disagree with him, so no it would not stop me buying or wearing his trade mark in clothing.

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

Cant say I disagree with him.

I think this just comes down to what we use our rifles for. I use mine exclusively for pest control, and have seen things like;
1. $2000 worth of small tree seedlings taken out by hares in a single night (hence my use of double-tap semi auto 22)
2. a valley full of nikau seedlings (which I planted myself by hand in a weeks hard work) destroyed by feral goats and deer (hence my old E cat and whack the bastards technique)
3. 30,000 tree seedlings killed over a period of several weeks by goats and deer (as above)
so when someone tells me I should only be legally allowed to use a bolt action rifle to try to shoot 30-50 goats or 20 deer at a time because I am a dangerous psycho then I will be inclined to think they are a prick. Might be a great guy in every other respect, but anyone arrogant enough to say that someone else should lose their business just because they use their rifles for pest control instead of hunting or target shooting is a prick. He wants my business to suffer or maybe even get closed down to suit his opinion, surely he would not expect me to support him? Prick, Prick Prick. Simple enough equation in my mind.

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

"He suggested people need more training, vetting and even psychological tests before licences were given out."

I thought this comment would have upset more people.

I think many of us would agree with this. Semi autos rifles in the hands of the general public are potentially dangerous to an inversely proportional rate to the amount of experience and background of the users.

Originally Posted by Ben Waimata

I think this just comes down to what we use our rifles for. I use mine exclusively for pest control, and have seen things like;
1. $2000 worth of small tree seedlings taken out by hares in a single night (hence my use of double-tap semi auto 22)
2. a valley full of nikau seedlings (which I planted myself by hand in a weeks hard work) destroyed by feral goats and deer (hence my old E cat and whack the bastards technique)
3. 30,000 tree seedlings killed over a period of several weeks by goats and deer (as above)
so when someone tells me I should only be legally allowed to use a bolt action rifle to try to shoot 30-50 goats or 20 deer at a time because I am a dangerous psycho then I will be inclined to think they are a prick. Might be a great guy in every other respect, but anyone arrogant enough to say that someone else should lose their business just because they use their rifles for pest control instead of hunting or target shooting is a prick. He wants my business to suffer or maybe even get closed down to suit his opinion, surely he would not expect me to support him? Prick, Prick Prick. Simple enough equation in my mind.




I think many of us would agree with this. Semi autos rifles in the hands of the general public are potentially dangerous to an inversely proportional rate to the amount of experience and background of the users.

You may well be an exception to the rule but I have met enough of the fuckwits he mentions to agree with him...and a double tap is a waste of ammo, placement of the first is most important

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

You may well be an exception to the rule but I have met enough of the fuckwits he mentions to agree with him...and a double tap is a waste of ammo, placement of the first is most important

Exactly why the E cat was king. I support restricting all semiauto's to E cat.
And @Ben Waimata is not the exception to the rule, most shooters I meet are good, safe bastards.

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

a double tap is a waste of ammo, placement of the first is most important

Mate you might be able to reliably kill a hare with 22LR every shot but I've found the round is marginal, great with good placement but only an inch out and it's non-fatal. You appear to be making a judgement call on me for wasting an extra 20cents on a second round, even after I've told you I have seen hares do $2000 per night in damages to newly planted trees (not taking into account the fact I grew the trees myself in my farm nursery, and planted them myself. Personally I consider the insurance aspect of an extra 20cents well worth the cost in comparison to potentially missing, or hitting but not killing.

So I think you've summed up the problem, fast shot vs pretty shot. Some of us use these rifles as tools, I don't care if I empty 10 (or 15 as it was) rounds of 22lr at a hare, because the cost/benefit of doing so is massively in my favour. As an example, last year I was out for a shoot with a father/son combo, we had three hares sitting in the paddock and a 22 each, we assigned targets and took the shots, they both missed but only fired once, I shot 2 of them with 5 rounds. I don't care how many I fired, I shot the problem feral animals, job done. Most often you only get seconds to take the shot before the target is gone, no time for pretty shooting.

You seem to think you are free to judge someone like myself who uses the rifle in a different way, and good on you. In my experience my technique will achieve the end better than the guys who take pride in lining up the perfect shot, because I've noticed those guys are usually far less successful pest controllers. They may well be much better at knocking small holes at a piece of paper at long range, but that's not what I am trying to do... and I don't judge them for their preferences.