Thread: Trauma kits Celox vs Quik clot

I hear Quik clot can cause burns especially when applied in powder form and can cause burns to people around the paitent including the patient.
Celox seems better but you get less?

Are any of you medical types in the know?

what do you want it for? I have quick clot for my work truck.I know the yanks love celox in the military.

Any major trauma, Im not so keen on the secondary burns side of things.

Originally Posted by savageshooter

I hear Quik clot can cause burns especially when applied in powder form and can cause burns to people around the paitent including the patient.
Celox seems better but you get less?

I'd rather have less than none - the less also means less weight and less space taken up.

A quick google shows the websites to be out of stock of both. Where do you get it and is it something I should have in my kit?

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Only for when your bleeding

Simple thing like your lisence and a bandage will do.the same.job if ou got into the shit.

Open up the wound an poor ice cold water on it, that'll take your mind of the bleeding for a while

Alot of nato uses celox, after doing osme reading quikclot has been updated and doesnt cause burns any more.

Im looking at bring in some trauma kits and sports sponges

Tampons are great for filling wounds especially exit wounds ( Stops woman bleeding out...), Israeli compression bandage is the best type I've used it really cranks the pressure on, if your thinking gunshot wounds you may like to look into gear for sucking chest wounds (collapsed lung) such as stick on flutter valve or ways to improvise. and oral or nasal airways they really are priceless for keeping an airway open.....When thinking Trauma think bleeding out and stop breathing
I carry (especially in the roar) a couple tampons, a Israeli compression bandage, couple nasal airways, flutter valve thing and a Tourniquet. (Torurniquet only if you cant stop the artery bleeding out with all the other stuff been used already)

Hi all.

Jono here from PHEC Enterprises here in NZ.

My backgtound is nursing and my company was the first in NZ to sponsor Quikclot here back in 2008.

The burns mentioned earlier were severe (often 2nd to 3rd degree, partial and full thickness). This side effect was from the 1st generation loose granule version as seen on the movie "shooter" staring Mark Wahlberg. The packeys of bagged zeolite granules are slightly hydrated to lower the "exothermic" (heat reaction) and doesn't get much warmer than around 40 degrees c. When I was in the process of registering the product here with the Ministry of Health this was one of the things I wantef to ensure was dealt with before bringing any product here.

In regard to celox vs quikclot; Quikclot products (2nd gen) are zeolite granules (linde type 5a for those that want to know) similar to kitty litter basically, that has had calcium added and the 3rd generation is kaolin based product (an inert clay). Celox on the other hand is a protein based product (chitosan) that is digestible by the human body, for this reason I would encourage the use of Celox (and yes that might seem a little odd being the sponsor and importer of Quikclot) but wound cleaning isn't quite as critical as with the zeolite and kaolin from Quikclot.

As another note; the zeolite went from loose granules for two reasons: 1 was partly due to the granule to blood ratio got too high adding to the heat reaction as people just poured whole packets into the wound so bagging became a measured dose, 2nd. It became apparent applying quikclot to verticle wounds or high wind conditions meant a large amount of product didn't get where it was needed. As you probably know when the products is averaging $25-30 for 25g it makes an expensive excerise exorbitant.

I have plenty of research articles on quikclot and the hemostatic (blood clotting) agents if anyone is interested.

Anything else you would like to know, give me a bell.

Are we going to war?

Originally Posted by Tahr

Are we going to war?

Yes. The NZDF is a bit low on inventory so they are going to join in and do the usual trick of permanently borrowing some gear.

I got my Celox and Islreali Bandages for work from here. Buy Israeli Bandages and More
Buy in bulk its much cheaper. now ALL our first aid kits are kitted with the stuff.

Israeli Emergency Bandages - Israelifirstaid.com
Celox Home Pack of 10 - Israelifirstaid.com

Very cool. Thanks for that.