Any one run a victory for a all round hunting knife
Do they hold there edge? and are they easy to keep sharp with the flick of a diamond sharpner.
just looking at a short blade knife like the drop point or rabbiter
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Any one run a victory for a all round hunting knife
Do they hold there edge? and are they easy to keep sharp with the flick of a diamond sharpner.
just looking at a short blade knife like the drop point or rabbiter
I still have a few from the freezing works, used them for quite a while. Quite easy to get sharp, but don’t hold the edge for as long as the harder steels obviously
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^ this
soft steel = super easy to sharpen, but poor edge retention
I’ve got a drop point, can get a wicked edge on it without too much fuss but as stated above fairly soft so requires regular touch ups while dressing animals. Use it as camp knife now
Which is why they are perfect for the works
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�� I also have boning knife that I use at home for skinning/breaking down carcass’s and a few licks on a smooth steel when the edge starts to dull brings it straight back. I’d recommend as bang for buck
Must be a step up from a bahco??
yes AND no.... the bacho is a great knife with super safe sheath.... Ive tried a few victory knives but blade shape wasnt quite right for me.... the steel was problomatic for me to stone,not sure why but its been the one type of knife I just couldnt get sharp the way I liked them...sharp enough to put both the wife (cut fingers) and myself (believe it or not cut across big toe when dropped knife and it fell over on foot) into A&E for stitches...just didnt hold the edge as well as I like....
Have a bicker than seems similar, has had 20years of solid use and still going strong, also have a vitronox that would be 5+ years.
Just a nice simple knife, brought a new bicker 5 years ago to replace it, turns out I have lost an easy 1/2" of length and a fair bit of belly over 20years
If you run somthing like the rabbiter with a steel or strop or wee diamond field sharpener they will do a deer well enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
For the $$ they are good enough I use one of their boning knives for at home processing but prefer somthing harder for dealing with a deer in the field.
Whats a knife a little better then a Victory,another step up.
i think gerber are rubbish and wouldn't buy a sword
green river bushmans friend.....or the knifekut equivilent they just work for me,easy to sharpen,easy to keep sharp and the blade shape is perfect for me.wont break the bank either.
After having used both Victory and Victorinox as a butcher there's really no difference between the two except price. Modern Victorinox knives aren't the same as they were 30+ years ago. A sharp Victory boner will do a full morning (4-hours) of beef boning before needing a quick touch up (10-mins on the stone) before another 4 hours of mixed boning (sheep/pork/chicken etc).
A full morning of beef boning (which is way harder on a knife than venison) is more than anyone will ever do on a hunting trip. So save the money and buy a Victory and use the hundreds of dollars you've saved for gas to go hunting! I love knives but all I use for hunting is a shitty old Buffalo River drop point. Holds an edge fine for hunting. I have just bought a Victory drop point hunter ($25) because I prefer a smaller knife, and prefer the shape to the Buffalo.
Agree, but will point out, hocking skinning and processing in field situations are definately much more abrasive on and edge then controlled cutting in a butchery, especially with less. Efficient cutters such as myself scraping bones etc along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by bumblefoot
I can get through a deer OK with my victory and a strop or steel halfway, but the edge wants a touch up after for sure. My current rwl 34 will go through 2 deer without a touch up under the same shitty butcher conditions
@Nick-D what is the rwl 34 knife? And when you say your victory edge needs a touch up afterwards what do you mean by touch up.
I dunno; when skinning you're only using the knife for opening incisions and hocking (if I correctly understand your meaning) goes straight through the joint, When boning beef you are hard on bone all the time and trimming the meat between ribs and boning out necks is way harder than boning a deer in the field. A Victory should get you through about 4 deer easily. Cheers :)
@Nick-D Not trying to be argumentative :)
I once did a pig and a 2deer with a bacho....slight touch with steel halfway through and good to carry on...skinned all three and broke down into quarters and other bits, as has been said if you not being rough you can get away with allsorts....Ive got a tiny diamond like steel,about size of a biro pen...it really rough /abrasive...it will get knife back up n running very quickly,I found with stainless I needed a courser steel and stone to get any result,thought it would be other way...by far the easiest way I found to get yellow handled v knife (ex works)sharp was on old shearing stone wheel...
Haha yeah I'm sure for a professional like yourself the beef is a lot more workaQuote:
Originally Posted by bumblefoot
and you can probably fly through a few deer with one.
Just anecdotally (at least in my experience) my victory goes dull in the space of a deer (or at least duller than I like to work with), I've used the same knife to process pigs and bone whole deer at home and it stays sharp a lot longer. I think the gritty coat and the inefficient scraping around finding joints etc means it goes dull much quicker.
I actually really like the wee knife(was the first hunting knife I ever bought) and quite often use it still, but just use a havalon to for skinning and hocking cuts. They are certainly good enough to do the job.
One of my own builds man, test knife for the steel. Love it, its a wicked steel. Takes a fine edge and has good edge stability so can be ground nice and thin. Still pretty easy to sharpen and work as well. Expensive though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
Touch up for me would mean back to a stone, but not a full resharpen, usually only takes a few minutes at 1000 grit and back to razor
What's everyones opinion on Knifekut knives?
@Micky Duck The green river bushmans friend and victory bushmans friend look strangely similarQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Knifecut are rubbish if looking for a cheaper knife that isn't to bad I'd be looking at giesser I've tried all sorts over my 20+ years as a butcher and boner and the one thing that let's knifes down is the operator and the steel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Three O'Three
It's great to have input from butchers on this thread. Thanks.
and mine is actually a knifekut version sold through humping n fisting....price was right and even had choice of handle colour..which they managed to cock up LOL. dressed out quite a number of animals with it now and yes still believe it is ideal for me. Ive actually got two older wooden handled versions,but he blades are well worn down... must put decent handle on one of them as crude one on it is less than ideal,I made it way oversize as at the time was having issues with tendonitus and larger worked for my rooted hands.... 20 years later normal handle is ok again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Three O'Three
cant fault the one Ive got.....holds edge nicely and easy to keep sharp..... but I not huge fan of Buck knives or gerbers....different strokes for different folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by country cuts
@Micky Duck There's quite a price difference between the green river and victory bushmans friend(also known as the "outdoors" knife), green river being more expensive $40-55 where as the victory is $30-45. Does that mean the green river is better quality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
who knows???,I put my knifkut version over stone after typing the earlier bit...that 2nd time its seen a stone in 2 years.... my left arm has bald patches again.
green river is a very old brand.in these modern times someone may just be trading on the good name and steel may be same or similar quality between all three,heck they possibly all come out of same factory and get rebranded at end user...... if $$$$ werent so hard to come by I would spend $300 and take knifemaking weekend here in town and make my own one with same blade shape.... but Im too tight to fork out the $$$$.
I think that means the Green river is more expensive, cost doesn't always imply quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Three O'Three
I like my dick. It's a boner, holds edge well better than my knifekut it's a boner too.
I don't take my dick hunting. I prefer to use a bacho in the bushes.
Just my personal opinion had a rubbish run with them just not consistent, like a cheaper gun you can get a good one or bad one . As you said different strokesQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
F Dick perhaps???? I like the bacho but definately like using a boner in the bushes....Quote:
Originally Posted by johnd
I'm an ex butcher and still use Victory knives. You could spend all morning boning out beef with them, a quick 5min touch on the stone after lunch and then back into it. A morning boning beef is way more work than the average hunting knife is going to see in a very long time.... I bought my last Victory; a little 4" drop point hunter direct from victory. Cost $25, so saved me 10 bucks and it was delivered to Taranaki the day after I ordered it. Came in a nice wee branded cardboard box. Damn good service
Hi bigbear I've got a Svord drop point now, have only done a couple of deer with it, no issues yet. I'm no expert I've got by until now with a folding mercator (and not the McCoy a cheap knock off) that thing used to fold up on me inside the deer and cut me knuckles. I did notice the Svord started getting rusty in the sheath when I first got it so learned to keep oiled when not getting used.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
@Steelo I just bought a svord peasant, got a discount on it. Wasn't terribly sharp we I got so had to run it over my 1000-6000 whetstone, only just shaves hair and slices paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelo
both my svord folders/peasant knives shave hair off arm no trouble...Ive boned deer out with both...hard work with the mini I will admit,as was dressing a sheep...but it did the job and I was stubborn enough to make it work.
I do not really understand the hate of them...... they are what they are and they work just fine n dandy...I would take svord over buck all day long....I prefer softer steel.... I rememebr as a kid gutting possums for the dogs with a sharpened vege knife..... they work well for same reason,easy steel to sharpen. I know of folks who used the bone handled kitchen knife/bread ...basic table cutlery of old to skin animals,they take a very good edge......thinking about it as typed that they would make AWESOME filleting knife as have good flex.
Yes yes the bone handled butter knife omg they were perfect flexibility for shucking scallops too, I've lost the one I scrounged off my Auntie dammit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
@Steelo Hit the op shops, they often have them from estate clearances :)