yep chch is finding out how quickly canadas can colonise safe wet areas when left alone.
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bollocks so preserves/properties dont have roading in work for the keepers??Quote:
Mr Lyons explained that he felt this would be a small
concession to make for these land owners, in recognition of the benefits that accrue to
ordinary game bird hunters from the routine escape of preserve upland game to adjoining
areas where these birds become more available to these hunters.
mr lyons wheres a dentist when you need one:D:D
im joking ofcourse:yaeh am not durnk::D::D
:D:D who needs a dentist if you have no bite....
he who has hold of the purse strings controls what passes the gums:O_O::yaeh am not durnk:
come on the bay new leaf turning time and independence from the eastern aggressor councill;)
Don't worry about HB there is a small but determined group of concerned people who will not let this councils actions go without a spirited fight, and will not stand by idle and be aligned with the intensions of another regions agenda. one has to question also why would a council vote on an item in general business when it happened that no public were at that meeting, some could ask was this the perfect time to try and slip it through unnoticed and un challenged
which bits that hb hunter??
i love the bay i spent the best 3 years of my life there and after my uncle it was my best duck hunting teacher.
i dont remember ever shootng a less than full colour drake there.
beautiful fat mallards even given the bays penchent for drouts.no feeding and 2 shots didnt seem to keep us from a feed.
your in the final to so that last minute decision seemed harsh on the b.o.p:D
damn what i wouldnt give to be a fly on that wall.;)Quote:
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To all those people in Hawkes Bay, please attend the next council meeting at Fish & Game office Tue 20th of October at 6pm. There will be an item on the agenda to discuss the validity of the current councils decision to drop to 8 member's.
Be there to give your support or show your disagreement to this decision, either way you should attend. I have been informed that the media may be in attendance, See you there
i wouldnt expect much out of tv1 and unfortunatly since the gutted cambell less out of tv3:oh noes:Quote:
I have been informed that the media may be in attendance, See you there
but any exposure will help it will set chairs squirming in hq just dont let them use it as a excuse/oppurtunity to steal away your heritage/future
free at last free at last :yaeh am not durnk:
well not quite but at least a result seems iminent for licence buyers in hb.
just the circling vultures from eastern councill to drive off now.
shiek ya money and his hen pheasant take and tame mallards can kiss my sisters black cats arse.
they must have just about creamed thier collective jeans when they realised the candidate meeting was at the local h&f store.
the note of ''oh hell no '' in one statement about it must have taken some real laugh suppressing hand supporting to tap in to the puter.
can you imagine it as the public strode in past the smiling faces ''proudly sponsored by h&f''
jesus it must have been almost shakespearein in its comedy.
Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look...et tu, Brutus!!!
:thumbsup: I didn't mean for that to come across as derogatory. There is a bunch of people, a fair chunck from HB that are wondering "WTF just happened". The regimented lot had a landslide. I shall here forth refer to the leader as Daljit in reference to Daljit Singh, community leader and man of very good self intent.
yes i encourage hbayers from both sides of the fence to post up thier views especialy if they attended the MEETING, hell even those on the fence.
im gob smacked that mike h cant see after the bitch slapping southland got for not consulting how unfair that now seems to have nzc with this ''feck it do as you like attitude'' ??
how about with the overwhelmingly bigger group of home grown licence holders 1st:O_O:or are we not worth it in dollar terms.Quote:
Grow partnerships with strategic allies & others eg Nature Conservancy, guides & their clients
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ps i can find no reference to bryce stating he thought 8 is a good number for a council or any reference to reducing council numbers its not in any posistion statements or minutes??
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Adrian McIntyre suggested it be read out to the meeting what the NZ Council
recommendation on the issue was at the last NZ Council meeting.
The recommendation was read out:
1) Ask regional managers to use the 2013 game hunter surveys to establish whether there had
been any significant changes in sub gauge shotgun use since 2009.
SFGC Minutes of the meeting held 13th December 2012.
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2) Meanwhile retain the sub gauge exemption in the use of lead shot.
3) Convey its concerns to Southland should it propose to go-it-alone and lift the exemption.
sound familliarQuote:
He believed some elements within Southland Fish & Game had chosen to run their
own agenda on the issue without reference to those they represent. He said it was a
non-mandated agenda and in cloak and dagger fashion. Back in 2005 Southland
attempted to change this regulation – who did you inform, what opportunity did
licence holders have to imput into that, what was the mandate? Should have been an
election issue.
before you try to rewrite history again mike
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Lead shot exemption for sub-gauges – regional feedback
With no clear majority of support for or against and incomplete information to argue in its
favour, it was agreed it makes any change to the status quo questionable. The NZ Council
accepted that 6 regions opposed the Southland proposal to uplift the lead shot exemptions and
that 5 regions supported the proposal.
Resolved (Andrew Morris/Robin Blackmore)
That the NZ Council
New Zealand Council November 2012 Meeting Page 12
1. Ask regional managers to use the 2013 game hunter surveys to establish
whether there has been any significant change in sub gauge shotgun use
since 2009.
2. Meanwhile, retain the sub gauge exemption in the use of lead shot
3. Convey its concerns to Southland should it propose to go-it-alone and lift
the exemption.
From what you reference there is so much bullshit talked (effective shit talk though) it laughable. Honestly people are so gullible. If they just bothered to fact check.....
What most people miss is that obviously HB hunters and anglers had a gut full of how F&G was running and people stepped up genuinely and honestly and due to (_______) from the previous council this is how F&G repaid them. I am heartily disappointed but not in anyway surprised. Smile when you buy your next license- they will be.
Time to let the issue drift into history.
untill the next time a group encouraged by the inability to do anything concrete about this rears thier heads.:D:XD:Quote:
Time to let the issue drift into history.
good luck hb your gonna need it.:O_O:
What is so disappointing is that when you act as some have, your credibility suffers more than your ego might admit to...confidence and respect can be eroded with a single scrawl of a pen, or a lack of the scrawl of a pen...
Mrs Wells first introduced from England a pheasant cock and three hens in 1842...173 years ago. The mallard was first imported by the Otago Acclimatisation Society in 1867 which imported a pair from Melbourne...148 years ago...I wonder if F&G will help us all celebrate the 150th anniversary of the introduction of this wonderful duck...what a great opportunity to restore some goodwill and real tangible responsibility and accountability...if F&G does not do anything on this auspicious anniversary, I will...
i note thier maybe a reason/hope for some of the shenanigins?
in that nz council are in discussion with doc to turn the permitting of mallard hold breed and release over to them.??
thier is mention of irregularities in the process so far but no mention of what those have been.??
could be a right little cash cow if even half the f&g,s take up captive breeding as a short term fix.??
This would be a bit of you wouldn't it? Hope I haven't put this up before. "wild" duck "hunting" North Island? :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KYIX5Yh4cY
Watch right to the end to get a true appreciation of the skill required.
fuck me the only think missing was a rake:O_O:what a travesty from the mesh lined trees to the half arse hides.
made worse only by the hope they might convince somone that wild mallards would land on 2 swimming dogs or let you boat thru them in duck season.
i got a funny feeling if f&g get the permitting job which they should for commonsence sake alone;) but along with those wasted, return to the past rules of the knee jerk kind, smaller bags and seasons[unresearched ofcourse] 3 shots and feeding restrictions we,l get some regions go the short term fix route of releasing mallards.
i predict AW may not GIVEN THEY,VE SAID Its a short term localised fix ie perfect for properties with special conditions and the preserve team AW may be weakened.
eastern either it would rather piss on the preserve advantage seeds they,ve sown.
but it could explain hb f&g getting support for behavior other regions got bent over for
Man you are such a pessimist! There was some effective shooting and killing tame birds has to be way more for filling than breaking clays.
If it doesn't affect wild populations then I have no problem. But lets get some monitoring and an honest discussion happening.
true tim but independent unbiased monitoring based on whats good for the resourse not the commercial interests.Quote:
But lets get some monitoring and an honest discussion happening.
i personaly think if you,ve got 2 to 300 tameish fed trained live decoys on a property its gonna draw every duck for miles like a refuge?? especially if theyre waiting for the right price and optimum day and not shooting as reguly as normal hunters.
can releases work ? localised and with effective predetor control maybe short term but do they reflect good value or anything other than us trying to gloss over a more widespread deeper problem.?? we wait the mallard research with baited breath personaly i lean toward degaded waterways especially the lakes that held hundreds if not thousands and desease outbreaks and even algaeblooms as factors along with predation.
no i dont blame it all on dairying either have a look at the lower avon apparently now a cess pit of pollution and dead birds.:XD:
Commercial interests do not need to welcome any independant unbiased monitoring...commercial interests already know the answer...$$$$x$$$$ = $$$$...
Meanwhile the HB F&G had such confidence as to not heed the statutory obligation to band birds...Oh no...their minds were on bigger and better things...$$$$x$$$$ = $$$$$
However, it still does not alter the fact THAT NO CONSULTATION WAS MADE WITH THE LICENCE HOLDERS IN ANY OF THESE SUGGESTED, MURMURED OR CONTRIVED MATTERS...NOT A ONE...
PS...please correct me if I am wrong on this...
right sorry ive been out of action computer wise but i havent forgotten the neferious bullshit that went on.
ask yourself would the measly few months given for voters to adjust to 8 members for the hb council have flown in any other election.
i urge all voters who are unhappy to go check your local rolls while you still can and make sure its the full role .strangly enough only a month after the election the returning officer claims not to have them or any access to them. theres some strange numbers and results in several regions that dont make sence given usual voter numbers?? adding to my paranoia is the fact you have to make an appointment to view them and be chaperoned ????ever had that last time you were down the p/o checking your voting eligability:D
methinks the guides and commercial interests have got their hooks into a couple or 3 regions and theyre gonna be fuckin hard to shift after all they,d prefere to pay one ouftfit [doc] and not have to deal with f&g as well..theyre rooting f&g from the insideto get things there way just check the makeup /interests of some of the councils.eastern hb as 2 examples.
I am glad your computer issues have been sorted...
we have to be chaperoned to view the rolls??...sounds like something out of one of George Orwell's novels...
only if your the kind of gun owner/shooter who thinks poking your weapon of choice thru a 8ft fence after chasing the unrestricted game from one side of the fenced paddock to the other is fulfilling.:wtfsmilie:Quote:
Man you are such a pessimist! There was some effective shooting and killing tame BIRDS has to be way more for filling than breaking clays.
If it doesn't affect wild populations then I have no problem. But lets get some MONITORING and an honest discussion happening.
honest discussion went out with gentlemen jack marshall and norm kirk but the only way we,l get anywhere is to keep the bastards jumping.
[B]we have to be chaperoned to view the rolls??...sounds like something out of one of George Orwell's novels..[B]
i know Eeebees i bloody near laughed till i cried with the pathetic absurdity of it but it do make you wonder whats to hide
''we have to protect firearms owners ''they might say?.
nah by the time you figured out who was a fisho and who a gunno you,d probably be in the queenie elizabeth hotel for the aged and bewildered anyway.
[U][B]What is so disappointing is that when you act as some have, your credibility suffers more than your ego might admit to...confidence and respect can be eroded with a single scrawl of a pen, or a lack of the scrawl of a pen...[B][U]
but a healthy bank balance lasts till you croak Eebees and im sure the admiration and socophancy of those you think are your friends make up for the losses. NOT
i would say tim frank discussion and questioning is the very enemy of omnipotence ask stalin hitler or saddam even.
its why so many tyrants spent most of thier energys on suppressing any opposition or even questioning of thier rule.not to mention paranoicaly hiding any crushing truths.
problem is if the truth is if things are as suspected is the alternative of government commisioners palatable??
i know the arguement ''that could things get any worse '' well yes with government interference they bloody well could.
imagine maggie barry in charge of our future??
where as the rot in f&g could be excorsized by the exposure and vilification of the elements seeking thier own fifedoms.
the idea is to sink f&g from within but make it look like it was others fault,
doc ex,es seem to be gaining posistions on councils when most havent got a clue who they are and vice versa ex f&g,ers are turning up on doc staff.
who does a one stop shop with government controlled funding access to our licence fee,s and political appointeees suit ??
not fuckin us i can assure you of that.
but a permit system for guides and a different cheaper [maybe]licence system out of the one outfit with no pesky public intererence or agendas that might restrict a goverments plans for larger privatisation of our natural resourses or agricultural expansion.
sounds like capitalist heaven to me.
GSP follower...I really do want to understand what this is all about and what your grievance with F&G actually is. Its all been really difficult to follow, not being an insider and all.
The above post of yours reads like a ramble of conspiracy theory that makes no sense to me.
Could you possibly spell out exactly what your specific concerns are so that I can begin to understand?
I have no other interest beyond wanting to understand what the hell all of this is about. I'm not a Government agent, or anything like that. :)
Yes it is
Yeah I'm not so sure. A commission would be bound by legislation and policy or at least be held closer to it. Lets not forget the legislative framework is in place to manage sports fish and game in the recreational interest of license buyers- F&G choose to ignore what it wants and ignores by enlarge legitimate enquiry, partially through the leadership of a meglamaniac but largely because "leverage" has become a large operating influence.
With a commission in place improper activity could be held to account without the fear being held that it would be detrimental to our interests by loosing "elected councils"(:D:D:D). Conflicted decision making more obvious. Reality is our interests or more precisely our heritage and legacy aren't being well managed.
I could care either way. I just wish I could avoid funding what its become.
yep but like ecan once a comissioners in and political appointees seated they can be fuckin hard to expel
even with the industrial strength laxitive of a government change .
GSP follower...I really do want to understand what this is all about and what YOUR grievance with F&G actually is.
the pre eminence of tourism operatorsand vested interest creeping in by hook or crook in some f&g regions at the expence of the average licence buyer and what i believe is tantamount to hijackng the democratic process:ORLY:clear enough for you tahr
hows this for a laugh the reason given for not revealing the details of the private deal for the former hb manager in the november hb minutes was ''not to hurt his future employment prospects''[.
but getting former councillors shit slinging on a public forum and all but doing the same with the legal insinuations by current councillors to try and queer his election chances doesnt count ??
hb says now they might canvas voters on a new election??hope the dont overload the aw and eastern computer networks:D
bout fuckin time the canvassed them on something ? dropping to 8 nah large payout to former manager nah private company fishout ponds nah
the only reason they are is they know voters wont want to cough up the 17 grand:yaeh am not durnk: but given the admission the cocked, up the legal bills on consulting whether what some were writing on public forum was ok and the cost of buying the former managers silence.i bet 17 gs looks like a flyspeck on a elephants arse.
is it true that the council is effectivly 7 again cos the former managers taken his dough and been told dont come monday??
where has bryce jonson every written or said 8,s a good number for a council other than than a dubious email sent sometime to someone??
how many of the new council are guides or have working relationships with guides or properties with special conditions or gamebird sellers.
something is not right in the state of hawkesbay
minutes were claimed to be incorrect at certain meetings yet they were signed off on as true and correct.
conflicting stories everywhere from the top the bottom and even election officials[what the f..k]
i challenge bryce johnson to come out publicly and say why smaller councills are good and give his reasoning if he has .
ever advocated it.
i dont believe the abuse of process ,voters trust and backroom payoffs bad enough is what really trying to be kept from the light of day.
shame your recording of the vote wasnt as onto it as your new found knowledge:O_O: of procedures.Quote:
Further, Standing Orders section 2.22.1 Decisions to be determined by majority of votes states “The acts of a council must be done and the questions before the Council must be decided by vote and by the majority of members that are present and voting.”
The question of what voting constitutes can be inferred from Standing Orders 2.23.3 which talks about vote by voices or show of hands in relation to a motion, or electronic voting where that’s an option.”
:O_O:nice of you to notice tho i realise its no news flash but ultimatly its a problem hb,ers have to sort or eastern and seemingly at national level they will lose thier independence. tho judging by the minutes giving eastern access to your licence money thats already on the cards.
sad but true
but only if we let it be.
christ if f&g spent as much energy on improving voter partcipation as they have on ,lawyers,covering up and spinning this debacle maybe the disechanted licence buyers of the bay would get the councill they need rather than the one lack of interest and apathy permits.