Bought mine today...$90 this year...obviously the increase is due to the need for research funding...breathe in and holding.....
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Bought mine today...$90 this year...obviously the increase is due to the need for research funding...breathe in and holding.....
Did you get your season cut in half too?
I am seriously debating whether I will bother or not this season. Only got a week and a half and if I buy a licence for that amount of time I may as well buy a whole season.
You got any time off the first 2 weeks in June, Rueben? If not save me some river beds this year ya bugger:thumbsup:
I'm yet to get my licence, Last year on getting away with $20 :)
I got told ours did, to 4 weeks.
Ok i should be finding out myself... but... what is the story with bird hunting land i manage.... no permit needed?
I just look upon it as another tax. If you pay it you get to keep your hunting stuff.
If you don't pay it and are unfortunate enough to bump into a ranger then someone else gets your stuff and you might have to make another donation
As far as I can tell you don't get much other value for it (in our region at least)
That is not to say there is no value Game-bird hunting however I don't see why F&G can't be honest and just call it a Game-bird Tax
Actually not a bad idea. I dont do much in the way of goose shooting but I will get of my ass and give it more time. I will be doing my bit for the mallard population by leaving/not targeting them.
Fees est for the whole nation by the minister and ministry. No input from the area Said the same the other day. Best value is Southland three months or something. Duck numbers are down. Dunno it's not the same as it was 50 reasons or more easily for the decline I m not fond of the cost but we have to pay and move on I do know if you get caught there will be no warning you will get done . Sad to see folks flagging it totally as well. Anyhow good luck and shoot safely !!
Duck season is to queens birthday w/e for us moonhunt, don't know about pheasants, haven't bought the licence yet.
Requirement for a licence on land you manage is a bit of a can of worms. As head manager you should be entitles to shoot with out licence PROVIDED the owners don't.
However if someone lives on the property it can be argued that it should be them that have the right.
Just had a quick read:-
Auckland
Grey/mallard duck and any hybrid of those species 4 May to 2 Jun 2013
Paradise shelduck 4 May to 30 Jun 2013
Pukeko 4 May to 25 Aug 2013
Black swan 4 May to 30 Jun 2013
Bobwhite (Virginian) quail 4 May to 25 Aug 2013
California quail 4 May to 25 Aug 2013
Cock pheasant 4 May to 25 Aug 2013
I will pay it happily. $90 is pretty cheap for 3 months entertainment. Other options hunt tahr $70 petrol per trip, snowboarding $95 lift pass $70 petrol per trip. So pretty cheap really. Fuck knows what they do with the money though
Well........................................ I'm happy to pay the fee. Still cheap really, and I would rather see a reduced season and reduced limit, if it means the continuation of harvesting gamebirds. Any farmer will alter his stocking rates etc based on feed etc. While I am not convinced that F&G have all the facts they need to make a truly informed choice, I am glad that they are least doing something to try and protect our gamebirds from a decline they cannot recover from.
Here at Eastern F&G area we have 4 weeks and a 10 bird limit (ducks). My son and I have a week off work for the first week, and have a lot of fun. My possie is an hour away, so it means 2hrs travel each day and an early start. I tend to do more filming than shooting these days, but the time spent is priceless in my book. We also have some great pheasant hunting, and with the odd deer trip chucked in, life is pretty good.!!
Take ya pick!! Anywhere south from the Waiho lol
I'm starting to feel like I'm getting a bug or something Dave, probably too crook for work for a day around about first week or so of june....
I'm not liking this rain though, Might be paddock shooting this opening, I better put some hours in this week finding some birds.
:thumbsup: Yup, definitely looking a bit green around the gills. I see theres been a heap of rain. Hope its good for the last week of May. Paddocks are as good as the river beds fun wise anyway.
I will get in touch and we will get out for a shot if your free. There seems to be more birds around the farms this year compared to last.
You make some good points Tussock, but without a unified voice, we duck hunters would probably face a huge task keeping the anti-hunters from closing down the sport. Some of the licence fee also goes to wetland preservation ( I believe the duck stamp funds are for this).
I think you are talking shite Tussock :) $90 is a tiny amount considering the quality of hunting available here. When you say "ditch F&G" do you mean ditch their entire management of gamebirds? I think you'd find there would be a ton LESS birds about after farmers had delt to them with poison on their paddocks and crop. I've seen it before geese were dropped and a lot more after they were dropped. F&G does a fine job.
....yeaaaah but no dog work on paddocks and a much less predictable than a duck camp but yes, very very good shooting to be had if you strike it right. Paddocks here are a flooded duck haven one minute and a drained dry the next. Makes me nervous and I don't like it!
I've seen quite a few about as well, was at Maruia of all places working last week and saw the biggest mob I've ever seen feeding on a paddock, mallards, parries and geese. Will definitely be doing a mission there later in winter.
I call BS. The only thing I've seen f&g do down here turned into a complete fuckup, go for a drive down the flood free when you're in Dunners next. It's the bit at this end that has less ducks now than it ever had, and that's after f&g spent a fortune making it 'better'.
Tui ad that.
Did you not just answer your own question, They protect ducks.
How would duck numbers "go up considerably" if they aren't protected? They would be poisoned and shot in large numbers year round by farmers with a problem with them. Would wapiti number increase considerably if it was open slather? or would they be gunned down by waro and hounded by foot hunters?
I'm not sure where you got anti-hunting from.
You act as though hunters are the only ones that affect duck numbers....
So if everyone quits hunting as you say, and numbers build really high and hammer farmers paddocks and they have no one to call to help out what happens then?
You're talking all this about what you THINK would happen but I have SEEN what happens. There's a big difference.
The Tahr are classic examples of animals needing protection to save them.They would gone if there was no rules to keep the choppers in check. It's not foot hunters we have to worry about in nz.
Oh well, You can quit, more for the people willing to put in the hard yards. I'll back F&G still.
And I'm pretty sure the dead birds I saw poisoned by a farmer did happen.
It's a shame you don't have an awesome group of mates to shoot opening morning with.. I mean the type that wouldn't let you quit and that you had a couple of nice ponds with nice Mai Mai's you d built together. Then no doubt you d look forward to it , enjoy the company , the shooting and being round like minded people. Forget the fees and the bullshit etc at the end of the day I reckon for most of us it's the same as being in the bush out there doin it with great mates .. More to it than just costs. Do you reckon you d be chucking it in if the above was true ?
Bring it on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! {Farmers} ,ducks ,pests they are all controlled by the hunter
Yeah cant wait 4 the dundee boys to full the freezer up with yummy duck lol.
Stock up on the sauce there mrs dundee.
It is legislation and tradition set up long before Fish and Game arrived on the scene that protects gamebirds. From a time when duckshooting was a not only a highly gregarious community event but an activity generally governed by rules based around a sporting culture- this has been eroded under F&G as an advocacy body (rather than a management body).
Generic season lengths and limits could be set by F&G's "supervisor" DoC, which is really very similar to what is actually happening now. I would happily have my $90 gamebird tax go towards back country hut and track maintenance. I would consider that benificial.
There is very few cockies that will poison birds for the hell of it. If it happens it is for reason of mismanagement. Most duckshooters I know are cockies, many passionate about ducks, many spending alot of time on habitat- Yet cast as villans?
Looking at geese Tussock has a valid point. If geese stay off regional pest management strategies then the current goose situation is great for :-
F&G- no cost, no work, no loss of revenue (most goose hunters still shoot ducks)
Retail Sector- No limitations- 12 month sales potential
Hunters- can hunt geese and buy gear 12 months of the year
Farmers mostly tolerate (in some cases) heafty production losses for the benifit of all of the above- despite the poor perception of the rural community F&G forces on hunters and the wider public.
Could the goose model work as well for other birds? There's still geese, still rabbits, still possums and deer all despite the gazillions spent on eradication.
I will be buying a license as I am deeply passionate about ducks and wetlands. Tussocks sentiment has wheels which F&G might pay some attention to.
thats the fuckin spirit become part of the problem rather than the solution :wtfsmilie:Quote:
It already happened man. I already quit.
So it's no skin off my nose how it pans out.
theres no one more pissed off at the mo than me at what ecans done to fuck our opening .but not hunt opening day ?not buy a licence ??id sooner listen to the mom inlaws stories of the old days of knitting than not go out or go out illegally.
we adapt and overcome improvise even. we,re kiwis after all not fuckin moanin poms or annoying twangy auzzies''cup of tea darl'''
we dont just say fuck it i quit we bitch , cajole ,subvert ,work and eventually get want we want:thumbsup:
Go GSP follower...we cannot quit...I want to see some real research done by the powers that be rather than formuli being based on hearsay...I cannot understand why they do not empower we the shooters out here to be part of privy to so called research...we have the manpower/girlpower on the ground both during the season and after and befroe...give us OWNERSHIP OF OUR SPORT...I keep thinking on the woodcock fanatics in both Europe and the Americas...they are the people who KNOW MORE ABOUT THEIR BIRD than anyone.
If you lie down and roll over, someone will step on you to step over you...
Usually you have quite intelligent things to say tussock but your theory of make ducks a pest to increase numbers is a bit of a joke, you must be joking right?
If you can give me an example of how making an introduced animal a pest has "increased numbers" i would be all ears.
F&G do a job, they kill thousands of pests each year, give grants to farms all over the place to build wetlands and protect our game birds. They are always going to be doing the wrong thing in someones eyes and to be honest are fighting a pretty hard battle.