running dogs in potential breeding grounds during the breeding season for gamebirds

I know we all have different opinions on this but would like to hear what you think about it, I personally stay away from all potential breeding areas

yeah me too -I only stick to well worn public tracks which may also have birds visit it often -unlikely they would breed there though .

One must be sensible though and realize birds can breed anywhere , dont stop running you dog "just "because there is a possibility you will encounter birds --they will come back and re roost on their nests .

The only reason they don't come back is if you go touching there eggs which you'd be an idiot to do .

Common sense should be used, some of us have a little more than others

i don't run my dogs where any game birds are likely to be this time of the year....... ducks or pheasants.
public tracks don't get much use during the week.... pheasants only need a day to scratch out a nest and start laying.

to actually go hunting for them for pratice this time of the year is bullshit....... go find some pigeons and a trap.

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yeah me too -I only stick to well worn public tracks which may also have birds visit it often -unlikely they would breed there though .

One must be sensible though and realize birds can breed anywhere , dont stop running you dog "just "because there is a possibility you will encounter birds --they will come back and re roost on their nests .

The only reason they don't come back is if you go touching there eggs which you'd be an idiot to do .

Common sense should be used, some of us have a little more than others

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i dont agree with this

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Originally Posted by kawhia

i don't run my dogs where any game birds are likely to be this time of the year....... ducks or pheasants.
public tracks don't get much use during the week.... pheasants only need a day to scratch out a nest and start laying.

to actually go hunting for them for pratice this time of the year is bullshit....... go find some pigeons and a trap.

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it may even be illegel, someone correct me if im wrong. To run a live game trial out of season you need a permit to hunt game out of season

it actually is.......... disturbing a 'fully protected bird' in fact.........

I avoid 99.9% of potential nest sites.

There are some places I don't mind dogs being run like the dunes at muriwai by the golf course that are heavily trafficked anyway. The cover in the dunes is too open anyway for nesting. I just keep the dogs in the open grass and out of the heavy cover.

There are a few cosiderations , the biggest is if it is a nesting area at all . Muriwai where i train is overun by man and dog and i dont mean hunting people. Im in agreement with ryan, muriwai has way to much foot traffic in both weekend and week days for birds to nest there -it is an area of 300y x 200y it is nice tho that one can encouter the birds that fly in and out of the area occasionaly while teaching your do to quarter the land.

Years ago i use to train my dog in takapuna on a feild where the old tip was and even there i would encounter birds - its a hazard of running your dog somtimes

Upnorth Uplander, to me to go anywhere near where there is even 1% opportunity of nesting birds being found is not only unfair but unthinking (go hunt fur or vermin pigeons!!!); on my side of the river (Tutaekuri), the bird population (feral, not escapees from any preserve) is almost at a stalemate and the last thing we need is people with their dogs harassing them...I know, I know... these areas are public access and all that...as a deerstalker you dont go shooting all the fawns...

or allowing ya pig dogs to scragg sows and suckers

Muriwai is a hot spot for parvo guys,make sure you are all up to date with your shots

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Muriwai is a hot spot for parvo guys,make sure you are all up to date with your shots

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thats not good but it is a reflection of how many mutts go there --tons day in and day out -defiantly not a nesting piece of ground .

Working on the theories in this thread I shouldn't run my dogs on the farm at all as they can be nesting anywhere on our place (literally) :(

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Upnorth Uplander, to me to go anywhere near where there is even 1% opportunity of nesting birds being found is not only unfair but unthinking (go hunt fur or vermin pigeons!!!); on my side of the river (Tutaekuri), the bird population (feral, not escapees from any preserve) is almost at a stalemate and the last thing we need is people with their dogs harassing them...I know, I know... these areas are public access and all that...as a deerstalker you dont go shooting all the fawns...

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Thats ridiculous , how would you know ? Birds go everywhere -fly , walk , take the bus but they are every where .Sounds like you don't want to train your dog or even take him for a walk anywhere interesting .I read you guys and think you are all just bound up in fanaticism and to be truthful if Jo wants to train his dog at XYZ and he encounters birds who gives a flying toss --there are so few Dog people that get out and train often it wouldn't make a dent in the population at all -"especially" where I train !, in fact you cant shoot in that area at all up to about 15km away up the beach

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thats not good but it is a reflection of how many mutts go there --tons day in and day out .

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probably not, probably means that the majority of the dogs going there are not vaccinated in the first place...

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to me to go anywhere near where there is even 1% opportunity of nesting birds being found is not only unfair but unthinking (go hunt fur or vermin pigeons!!!)

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So you lock your dogs in their kennels from now til May?

Can't hunt fur in any area I can think of. Anywhere there's enough cover for rabbits/hares might hold nesting birds.

Be reasonable.

On a separate note, bumping a hen off her nest will not cause her to abandon it.

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Thats ridiculous , how would you know ? Birds go everywhere -fly , walk , take the bus but they are every where .Sounds like you don't want to train your dog or even take him for a walk anywhere interesting .I read you guys and think you are all just bound up in fanaticism and to be truthful if Jo wants to train his dog at XYZ and he encounters birds who gives a flying toss --there are so few Dog people that get out and train often it wouldn't make a dent in the population at all -"especially" where I train !, in fact you cant shoot in that area at all up to about 15km away up the beach

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El Borracho, some of us want to see an enduring and sustainable population of birds in our areas...knowing how fickle the pheasant is when she is on the nest, I applaud anyone who exercises a degree of maturity and understanding of the bird we are dealing with. Well, if you have bird numbers in your area as you are implying, I envy you, it is simply that some of us dont...as I say, it is now we hunt fur...

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So you lock your dogs in their kennels from now til May?

Can't hunt fur in any area I can think of. Anywhere there's enough cover for rabbits/hares might hold nesting birds.

Be reasonable.

On a separate note, bumping a hen off her nest will not cause her to abandon it.

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Yes, my dogs are locked up for ten months with three Tux aday!!! I have access to farmland to shoot fur WHERE THERE ARE NO BIRDS...and if there where birds there, then I would go elsewhere...

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El Borracho, some of us want to see an enduring and sustainable population of birds in our areas...knowing how fickle the pheasant is when she is on the nest, I applaud anyone who exercises a degree of maturity and understanding of the bird we are dealing with. Well, if you have bird numbers in your area as you are implying, I envy you, it is simply that some of us dont...as I say, it is now we hunt fur...

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Fair enough EeeBees, the area we are talking about is saturated by two things -birds and humans with dogs all year . As I said at the start of the thread you have to use your common sense more than anything else but to blanket going out to the country side with your dog to train cause birds are laying is just crazy --youll know if you in an area with Polts -youll find them often enough and then youll move away .Birds go back to the nest unlike what Upnorth says .HE REALLY STARTED THIS THREAD TO HAVE A SHOT AT ME !! NOTHING ELSE

If pheasants are nesting in the area of muriwai that I'm talking about, they are retarded and need to be prevented from breeding anyway to keep their stupidity from getting into the general wild bird population.

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Yes, my dogs are locked up for ten months with three Tux aday!!! I have access to farmland to shoot fur WHERE THERE ARE NO BIRDS...and if there where birds there, then I would go elsewhere...

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Around Auckland, if there's rabbits there will be birds, so your system simply wouldn't work up here.
I wouldn't even be able to visit to any of the local parks/reserves.

Cmon Eeebees I know your dogs aren't locked up for 10mths:thumbsup: They running round your living room:D

We got no pheasants here and my dogs come with me every day,Jess found a duck nest close too the fence by the pond and we left.The duck nests I have come across can be anywhere from ponds too hedges ,roadside grass verges anywhere on a farm.

I definetly don't go looking for them but hey the dogs may as well be padlocked too the kennels in the breeding season YEAH RITE!

There is one nest I have come across and a duck is sitting on 20 eggs and flys of daily but I can not stay away from this nest as the stock are moved daily nearby. Shes always there the next day,some birds sit tight and don't fly off.

I wouldn't train dogs around a pond this time of a year.

Mathematics need addressing...it would eight months!!!!!!

Its clear people dont just put there dogs away because birds happen to be breeding they use their common sense and keep there dogs training and avoid to much disturbance on nesting birds

Of course people dont lock their dogs away...there's more to game than just birds...:)

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Cmon Eeebees I know your dogs aren't locked up for 10mths:thumbsup: They running round your living room:D

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Of course people dont lock their dogs away...there's more to game than just birds...:)

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not if you're a classic pointer setter person

you would get the blunt end of the stick if you were to partake in out of season pratice on a grouse moor if we are to quote the classic card....... i think you will find field trials were designed to fill the gap between seasons.

my dogs dont see any game from the closing of the season to the opening of the next season and there is no difference between the way they handle birds after 8 mnths of being locked up for 80% of that time.

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my dogs dont see any game from the closing of the season to the opening of the next season and there is no difference between the way they handle birds after 8 mnths of being locked up for 80% of that time.

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"a mans dogs are always perfect if never seen in public displays" quote from Yesterday Today& Tomorrow by Leon Mortensn

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you would get the blunt end of the stick if you were to partake in out of season pratice on a grouse moor if we are to quote the classic card....... i think you will find field trials were designed to fill the gap between seasons.

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I would well imagine so -but we dont have moors do we and they must practice in other areas other than moors in the off season as "I do" places you are not allowed to shoot in

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"a mans dogs are always perfect if never seen in public displays" quote from Yesterday Today& Tomorrow by Leon Mortensn

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Oh please, all due respect that that is pretty damn pompous...

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not if you're a classic pointer setter person

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I dont know what a classic pointer setter person is...and how would you suggest one might identify such a person??!!

pointer or setter owner and only hunts them on feathered game = classic pointer setter person

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Oh please, all due respect that that is pretty damn pompous...

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its so true tho and it applies to many things --long range shooting for example,,they always shoot sub moa at great distances but nobody was there and they wont front to demonstrate .Also what is fantastic to one may merely be average to another

I think someone would have to read the book to understand the context in which this was written...

a hunter not fronting up to repeat a flukey wondrous shot is not being a wallyl...the situation in which we sometimes manage to execute extraordinary shots cannot be easily, if ever, replicated...like two birds with one shot, nothing overly memorable about that (unless the birds are woodcock) but how often does that happen...and when you start in on percentages and average this and average that, what does that mean for me, I ask myself...if my dog retrieves a duck, a pheasant, a quail, a hare and as I have a more than average expectation of him to do so and if that expectation is what I base my dogs work on, then what is wrong with that...he is filling the freezer with wondrous delights...I am not going to slap his ears for executing a retrieve that brings in the bird...whether no one sees it or not and as I hunt alone 96.4% of the time, we rarely have witnesses anyway...so if I was to brag about my bitch's extraordinary work on a totally memorable find of a bird, then you just have to take my word for it because it is true...but it would be even more extraordinary for us to ever repeat that find...

That torpedo want meant for you EesBees as a knock -tongue in check really for Upnorth Uplander and the rifle thing wasn't meant for hunters but long range shooters but I suppose it can flow over anyone who says my blah blah can or does this but never let it be seen to show the fact its correct and does actually happen .Talk is cheap

In this case Upnorth says his dogs work just the same with no training on birds for 8 months -sure but to whose standard ? "come and trial"

hey victoria, Jim had my dog for most of this season, did you and him go for a hunt this year

No, not this year unfortunately...