Thread: STUFF ;CANADA GEESE

Originally Posted by HILLBILLYHUNTERS

I thought Fed Farmers where going to take care of the CG problem , and that's why they lobbied to get them on to pest list ?

I thought Fed Farmers lobied to take them off the schedule as a big f you to fish and game over the dirty dairy campaign.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

I thought Fed Farmers lobied to take them off the schedule as a big f you to fish and game over the dirty dairy campaign.

Whatever the reason, its sure turned and bit them in the ass.

Weird how yoy can shoot cg in or on or around water with anything including lead buckshot but not allowed lead shot for other wildfowl. I reckon more hunters woyld be into them jf the ammo rules were reverted. Cant use leaf on geese near water during bird season ffs.

Always the same, I thought I would be a useful person during the earthquakes, older, level headed, seen my share of industrial accidents.
Felt somewhat useless as it was controlled & was told straight, you are not required.

So relevant onwards, have contacted & worked for local bodies, offered to sort these bird problems. I’m discreet & careful, fully set up with all the gear and time, can recruit a dozen other senior people, with the same gear PCP air rifles & night vision, thermals. Costs would be minimal, basically doing it for nicks , GC some would even make use of them, present economic climate.

Frustrating really, authorities moan about these situations, yet they are too risk adverse & PC to make things happen.
Embarrassed Kiwi. Gone are the days of, Roll your sleeves up & get on with it !

DOC some years ago organised a mass cull on Ellesmere primarily but also other lakes in the canterbury region.Initially they invited all interested parties to assist in the planning of the operation including recreational shooters via a recently formed "organisation".

One day out of the blue i gets a call from TV3 reporter to say the geese were being massacred and what did I know about it?i referred them to a spokesman as i recoiled "WTF is going on"

Yup TV3 gleefully showed wounded ,dead and dying birds covering the lake-but a portion of the tally,a lot we discovered later on a skeletal remains amongst the marshy scrub on the lake verges -no doubt they crawled in there to die painfully .Next w/e the lake was chocka with persons cleaning up the evidence of their efforts

They also choppered a certain high country lake leading to mortally injured birds dragging themselves onto SH 73 -great look for our bloody tourism industry .

DOC on realisng they fucked up majorly promptly placed the clown who authorised it on leave -we found this out when a very very pissed off colleague of mine fronted them demanding answers. Oops somehow I was able to see the paperwork giving all the names etc as the guilty party inexplicably gave an enraged shooter a copy ,or was this an attempt to mollify him???

Suffice to say excavator loads of the stinky stuff was hurled into the revolving blade as DOC ducked for cover.The incumbent Min of conservation at the time was also a casualty handing in her ticket shortly after.

Oh yes youll love this -as a local chopper was used to herd the geese CAA regs didnt allow the use of steel ammo around choppers..steel which is statutory regulations for ellesmere so lead was used -10,000 rounds to be precise sourced from a hunting franchise sold by a self appointed expert recreational goose shooter,.

Overall a gigantic clusterfuck which simply made canadas very paranoid for quite some years and fucking hard to shoot . Some DOC staff got very embarrassed when it was mentioned others rolled their eyes"bosses couldnt be bloody told"

The Christchurch earthquakes were a golden opportunity for the canadas -as eastern chch reverted to jungle (gotta love those greenies eh what) the canadas moved in en masse.I saw mobs of 100or more regularly on the Avon River and realised then if they went unchecked again shit would hit fan .sure enough its happened but what efforts have been made seem few and far between ,although a lot of it seems to be influenced by public reactions and perceptions as we have had the misfortune to bear the brunt of recently

As usual, I'm sure there's no shortage of willing hunters, the problem is land access.

Funny the talk of Canadas and their antisocial habits-

I saw a mob of approx 20 in flight today and Id bet my left proverbial I know exactly where the huas are hoochied up and its a well known CHCH site .

CCCwont take any action as its in a rec area.no Im not going to reveal till I get a chance to eye ball mk1 the bloody site and all going well see if I can guage the size of the population.

Thought Trump had put tariffs on this lot

Crazy numbers in the Rangitikei now. 400 - 600 get shot at Lake Waipu every duck season but that doesn’t really make a dent. We have the odd decent shoot on the paddocks but it’s a drop in the ocean.
Culling at moulting time or poisoning is really the only solution once they get that bad.
A huge amount get poisoned in the far north using grass grub insecticide.

you are dead right who is willing to spend the money - Fish and Game dont have it - Federated Farmers dont have it - Councils well I have had a long background with those - sit at a table with local Regional council and one is looking at farmers and they wont agree to much that will cost their fellow farmers money - the problem has to be bad and getting worse - they all got it together for TB control so they can do it - to some extent they are working on wallabys - can be done - in the mean time shoot - and if you are struggling to find somewhere to go contact your local Federated Farmers reps - they may well have info and farming mates with problems

If they can build million dollar edifices at Belfast they have it unless they want to cede Thier jobs to doc ofcourse

Ok that’s what pisses me about non professional hunters, we are all a bunch idiots that only educate game.
That’s a self interest prophecy to protect their jobs, natural reaction. I understand. Selling this bullshit is not getting the job done. There is scope for a broad approach, that benefits all.
Let the Farmer decide whether an individual has a few clues, i.e PCP thermal, night vision the birds can be taken quietly with realising what’s going on, zero educating if it’s done right.
This Country has become so paranoid about risk management & the legal implications, that decent folk, might as well not get out bed!

Federated Farmers is also welcoming confirmation that landowners will not be liable if someone is injured on their land while doing recreation or adventure activities.

Instead, health and safety responsibility will lie with those running such activities and participating in them.

“Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden is right when she says uncertainty and scope creep has led to some farmers refusing access for such activities out of concern around their legal liability,” Birkett says.

“One big downside of that has been some reluctance to allow farm access to recreational hunters, despite growing numbers of feral pest animals across New Zealand.

“Changing the regulations so that health and safety is the personal responsibility of hunters, not the owner of the land they’re on, will be a boost to keeping deer, pig, goat and possum numbers down.

this recently farmers dont have to bear the brunt so long as they identify hazards they in the clear

Nobody's selling anything that's the point geese like mallards pheasents.quail were introduced/gifted to be introduced for the NZ sportsmen and it's our right and responsibility to help sort out any problems to.just for my interest how many do you professional shoot on or a day/night of suppressed thermal shooting?.Yes it's great some of the sillier h&s crap has been deleted?.Farmers dont want to pay for control and we do want to help so?