Thread: 1080 KILLING FISH

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

So how long before we start to regularly see the effects of this in humans, It is already happening and will only get worse as the causes are identified.

Nzs agent orange and formaldehyde.

Care to publish this data Cam? As much as I like you mate there is WAY too much emotion and far to little FACT. I was on the other side of the fence too but this shit has been dumped across NZ for a little while aye. Yet to see a negative, unless you count the rhetoric and anguish and I see far too many supposed hunters using 1080 as a selfish excuse for plainly being a shit hunter. We see plenty of the crap up here too and honestly, the hunting gets better every year.
Even this thread starts off "1080 KILLING FISH" and yet there is not one dead fish? Standard drama queen anti 1080 attitude?

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Care to publish this data Cam? As much as I like you mate there is WAY too much emotion and far to little FACT. I was on the other side of the fence too but this shit has been dumped across NZ for a little while aye. Yet to see a negative, unless you count the rhetoric and anguish and I see far too many supposed hunters using 1080 as a selfish excuse for plainly being a shit hunter. We see plenty of the crap up here too and honestly, the hunting gets better every year.
Even this thread starts off "1080 KILLING FISH" and yet there is not one dead fish? Standard drama queen anti 1080 attitude?

Ask your self this,if 1080 isn't that bad for humans,why do the operators wear protective gear,face asks etc! If it's that good for the environment saving birds and all that bullshit,why isn't it beeing used in Europe,Canada or North America say?
I'm all for protecting certain species but not at the expense of others and certainly not with poisons,it is bad enough that the hauraki gulf will be polluted within the next 20 years due to farm run offs and fertilisers from the Waikato region,how do we explain this to do youngsters?

why isn't it being used in Europe,Canada or North America say?

New Zealand is unique as it has no native terrestrial mammals, by targeting introduced mammals it gives NZ a disproportionate share of the world wide usage.
Other countries simply aren't faced with the same bio diversity challenges. I would say it has little to do with any argument over toxicity, it is simply very effective to their native mammals.

Ask your self this,if 1080 isn't that bad for humans,why do the operators wear protective gear,face asks etc!

There is no argument about 1080 being toxic, I think people here are more interested in questioning its persistence in the environment post application.
The protective gear worn is simply best practice and no different to that worn by people applying pesticides to fruit and vegetables.

Originally Posted by Moutere

New Zealand is unique as it has no native terrestrial mammals, by targeting introduced mammals it gives NZ a disproportionate share of the world wide usage.
Other countries simply aren't faced with the same bio diversity challenges. I would say it has little to do with any argument over toxicity, it is simply very effective to their native mammals.




There is no argument about 1080 being toxic, I think people here are more interested in questioning its persistence in the environment post application.
The protective gear worn is simply best practice and no different to that worn by people applying pesticides to fruit and vegetables.

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Well Kiwijames and Motere; here's a wee conundrum for you----

Lotsa 1080 filth being dumped

Lotsa mouse and rats dying

Lotsa Wekas, keas, falcons herons, harriers (and trout) actively seek out mouse and eat big time---

Lotsa invertebrates (insects, worms etc) eat carcasses and accumulate 1080 in their bodies--

Lotsa insectivores like robins catch half doped toxic insects--- and it take sfa poisoned insects to kill a little bird

How are the polluters / poisoners preventing the Weka, Kea, falcon, harrier, ducks, including blue ducks, the herons, the stilts and all the other critters which eat mouse and insects and meat, maggots etc from getting to the )according to winker Smith) millions of mousies and rats that they create by their persistent repetitive poisoning operations???????

They are making a bloody good job of wiping out the Kea and the Weka I reckon.

Originally Posted by Woody

Well Kiwijames and Motere; here's a wee conundrum for you----

Lotsa 1080 filth being dumped

Lotsa mouse and rats dying

Lotsa Wekas, keas, falcons herons, harriers (and trout) actively seek out mouse and eat big time---

Lotsa invertebrates (insects, worms etc) eat carcasses and accumulate 1080 in their bodies--

Lotsa insectivores like robins catch half doped toxic insects--- and it take sfa poisoned insects to kill a little bird

How are the polluters / poisoners preventing the Weka, Kea, falcon, harrier, ducks, including blue ducks, the herons, the stilts and all the other critters which eat mouse and insects and meat, maggots etc from getting to the )according to winker Smith) millions of mousies and rats that they create by their persistent repetitive poisoning operations???????

They are making a bloody good job of wiping out the Kea and the Weka I reckon.

You dont get it do you? You do understand what the alternative is right?
Whining on like a broken diff without anything that even resembles a fact has gotten your cause where? Yep nowhere.
Like I've previously mentioned. Come up with a realistic solution and rational people may actually start to listen. Keep banging on like a (really annoying) broken record then you can stay in your corner.

Originally Posted by mayfly

Ask your self this,if 1080 isn't that bad for humans,why do the operators wear protective gear,face asks etc! If it's that good for the environment saving birds and all that bullshit,why isn't it beeing used in Europe,Canada or North America say?
I'm all for protecting certain species but not at the expense of others and certainly not with poisons,it is bad enough that the hauraki gulf will be polluted within the next 20 years due to farm run offs and fertilisers from the Waikato region,how do we explain this to do youngsters?

Yet another dumb argument. FFS oxygen and water in high enough concentrations are toxic too.
They wear PPE because it's a POISON. No one ever disputed this.
The facts are that it is the BEST tool available with the LEAST impact per Ha.
It is not used in the places you list because there eco systems are completely different.
Runoff into the gulf is a completely different kettle of fish. I may as well bring the concept of water on Mars into this for the same amount of context.

It's the same old head banging bollox over and over.
Prove a less toxic, lower impact method that NZ can afford and I'll stand behind you 100%.

It's the same old head banging bollox over and over.
Prove a less toxic, lower impact method that NZ can afford and I'll stand behind you 100%.[/QUOTE]

I'm really keen to understand why the ARC that runs the operations for the Waitakere Ranges park up here uses a completely different poison to DOC????

I understand they use Brodificoum in bait stations, Timms traps and pest controllers and they seem to have increased the number of desired Birdlife under their watch in conjunction with DOC in ARK in the Park. Whereas DOC seems to have lost its imagination and just bulk drops on areas to lay waste to them in a slash and burn mentality.

I don't get it... DOC are meant to be the caretakers but 200+ years of trying that approach has only proved one thing that mother nature will bounce back - its just the things we don't want seem to procreate and thrive back the best. Talk about screwing the scrum in their favor....