Supposedly SCA1 is under full closure to protect scallop stocks. Only, it's not a full closure. If you read the policy document rather than the press release, it states that Commercial and Recreational Allowance have been reduced to zero, whereas the Customary Allowance undergoes no change at 7.5 tonnes per year. A lot of pissed off people up here. I know politics is not allowed on the forum, this is just a statement of facts.
more of cindys work i presume
You can expect to see this more and more threw out the country.
I see you are associated with/a supporter of Lega sea? Where are they at in terms of raising this in the context of sustainability?Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Legasea seem to be in favour of the closure (as I am), but no comment from them on the Customary Allowance. I am going to email them now and will post up the response.
In the last year, we have lost our only decent trout fishery in the whole of Northland because of unsubstantiated Iwi concerns about the environmental impact of trout; deer have finally been eradicated in Northland and now this. Just to be clear, I'm in support of the scallop fishery closing for everybody. If it continues, a move south (or maybe 2000km north) is on the cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I was reading an article just the other day about a rahui being in place on Northland scallops (can't remember what specific areas), iwi were complaining about the commercial guys not observing it and going hard out.
If the kaitiaki (sp?) don't issue permits, there will be no customary take, no matter what the allowance is.
This was the article https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/28/r...-on-the-cards/
So what's the harm in making it a full closure or is someone worried about the appearance of co-governance? On a practical level, a full closure would make enforcement simpler for the fisheries officers who have to deal with the arseholes that write themselves "customary permits".Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
David parker also upped the scallop quota despite every one having concerns. With the attitudes towards sustainability displayed up north i wouldn't be surprised if a small group rape and pillage whilst everyone else stays at home.
One response from Legasea as follows:
Customary right don’t have any value if there are no fish to harvest and most of the issuers of permits understand this. If a Rahui is used as a temporary closure then that will also be respected. Given that in society there are always people who try to circumvent the rules, I am guessing that there will be those that disregard and disrespect what is trying to be achieved which is abundance so we can all have a reasonable feed.
...and another from someone else saying that the didn't know the Customary Allowance at 7.5 tonnes in Northland was going to be continued and they would look in to it further.
The customary system pre dates the current system
just like the Land ownership model
the maori take will either be done or not done based on their deciding practicesQuote:
Originally Posted by MB
they dont get decided by gummint or fisheries unless its done in partnership with the locals
it basically says can take, not will take. whether or not it is exercised is totally up to the system governing
if you are against permits thats another yarn (I have problems with it too mainly the undersize bieng ok) but in large this isnt a for profit system and is going into the bellies of the people in the area
reducing commercial to increase recreational catch would be something im behind but that will never happen
reducing recreational and keeping commercial where it is makes me sick
the customary system is set up so that you dont have to be maori to use it if you are that put out by the resting of the area, go apply for a permit
im guessing that permits wont be issued for those area during its closure as the people issuing the permits want abundance too
I have wanted to see a ban in the Whangarei Harbour for some time now as the beds are in decline.
Would have been great to see a total closure as this allows the best recovery option.
I spoke to a local kaitiaki who fully supported the ban and was committed to not issuing any customary permits during the ban, however pointed out that there were 172 people who were allowed to issue permits for the take of scallops in the Whangarei Harbour.
Like you MB I read every news publication but had to go to the Government policy document to see the the 7.5 tone customary take still existed.
This will be a good thing if everyone respects it, which I'm sure most will.
One of my mates with vague connections got involved with a customary permit. 400 scallops per day. Not sure of the size limit, but it wasn't 100mm. He said the floor of his tinny was completely covered in scallops. I hope the people that are reportedly most concerned about the fishery do their part.
What ever happened to 1 person that can issue permitsQuote:
Originally Posted by gmm
It must be a free for all
From what MPI officers have told me, it certainly was a free-for-all. I believe that had already been addressed to some degree prior to this closure. Got another email from Legasea assuring that there will be no customary take under the rahui. We will see. Regardless, crazy way to manage a fishery (or anything else) in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by omark
The part tht I see being incredibly stupid is tht there are two beds left with ok numbers.gt barrier and little barrier. Those beds are going to be dragged commercially instead of using them to re build the Fishery in the Hauraki gulf.that is just fucking totally brain dead shit
I'm not sure why there are so many but I do not think many people understand the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by omark
Under the customary permit system, the rules which regulate catch, size and harvest procedure do not apply. The person issuing the permit has the ability to specify the size, number and method of harvest if they so desire.
The holder of the permit can still take the permitted recreational harvest over and above the specified number on the permit, so if a permit is for 300 scallops, you can get the 20 per person allowed for a recreational harvest as well.
The vast majority of people who issue permits have great respect of the fishery and monitor the use of permits.
As with any system it is open to abuse and at times people take advantage of this opportunity.
8 years ago, a permit was issued for the first day of the scallop season in the Whangarei Harbour for 2500 scallops, which were allowed to be down to 90Cm. This caused a far bit of outrage and the issuer of the permit was fronted and given the message.
It is my belief that most people who have the authority to issue permits will decline to issue permits during the rahui, but we have a hardcore poaching ring here and they will continue to harvest scallops as the money will be too much for them to ignore.
its all recorded mate wouldnt be too hard to follow that upQuote:
Originally Posted by MB
who needs 400 scallops? must have given a beauty of a reason, probably be good enough to get the permit book taken from the issuer
its when the permit is for a week that urks me
every day unless checked the permits are filled
so what ever the total number was multiply that by the amount of days on the permit
the responsible users of the system hate the abusers of the system as much as we do
mix a bit of preferential treatment/some kick backs to the issuer/poverty/family dynamics/drug fucked brains/cash sales to asian buyers in auckland that ask no questions and yea the fishery takes a hammering
Id say the only way the customary system will ever end is voluntary which will never happen because of its need for supplying hui and marae based events
Deer have been eradicated in Northland?Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Yes, there has never been much of a population as I understand it, but there were a few stragglers in the Russell Forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Except for the farmed ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
So not eliminated...
My smelly ass they have been eradicated
theres still two populations that I know of that have hundreds of ha to hide in.
not to mention the south head population as well
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Originally Posted by Bill999
Don't tell NRC, they are very proud of their achievement! And South Head is in Auckland.
Hmm maybe my intel is out of date. it has been a few years but unless the packs of wild dogs about at the moment dealt to them I dont know who would have been able to drive them out
the scrub is damn near impenetrable
maybe someone got them. Im holding out hope that theres still a few floating around tho as I tried getting access to all the ones I knew about and they were all very against me hunting them
historically there was a deer farmer that would open up his gate to a large wetland when his grass supply would run out and almost all of the deer would come back when their gut was filled, a few didnt
a good mate of mine shot one with his 410 just off State highway one only for some one to pinch it before he got back with a knife(under 10min)
I was going to ask if you thought it was viable to hunt them. Doesn't sound too promising.
If you had a thermal and a helicopter/drone we may be able to find them if they exist any more, it has been over 10 years
other than that they have to get hungry and come out on farm land before they can be seen or taken
the scrub is mostly wattle that is 4m high and like a solid wall to climb thru
tryed doing it once when I was a keen teenager and its noisy and prickly the whole way thru from the public land side no way to get anywhere quiet thats for sure
amazed me that the deer could get thru it
100s of unhuntable hectares
Id think if you dargavillians wanted deer you'd just cross the harbor with a spot light
I think there's a lot of that going on, even saw it first hand when I got on the ballot. Car not boat though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill999
yeah need a drone for those fellas too
that way you wont have to get out of bed to catch them
Im not going to lie Im looking for an excuse to get a drone
I'd like one for fishing, but it'll have to be a lotto win. I've got enough toys already and not enough time to use them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill999
If I can ressurect one my girlfriend had ill be in action, green with envy at my mates DJI mavic one of them would be awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by MB
its never been used and I cant get it to take charge yet
maybe a new battery is on the cards but its a go pro branded one so ill have to have a look around on the net
there's still deer in northland
Are you sure that the NRC is convinced they've eradicated deer? They're still actively working on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
No, not sure, but what difference does it make? It's a small population which are difficult to access that have been, or are very nearly eradicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp