Thanks for the tip on the fig 8 knot for ledger loops gibo I generally pre tie my ledger traces at home so I can use the better loop knots that tend to be fiddly to tie when the heat is on but will give that fig 8 one a bit of a whirl as I generally go for the knots while on the beach that I can tie the best and quickest and one of them is the overhand for quick ledger loops after getting a bust off (hell I can't even tie a palomar knot lol and people swear by that one) heaviest trace line I use and it is only when I fish with a B.O.S is 40 & 60 pound if using ball sinker when fishing areas with no strong currents then I use a 20 pound trace, but in surf it is always the B.O.S and ledger as my go to set up only because I can get a bit more distance while casting plus I can change my hook sizes without messing about. Also starting to think about researching on making pulley rigs for surfcasting but probably too much pissing around to make.
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