As a .22 plinker of many years, I've found myself shooting predominantly ICI .22 Standard Velocity rounds. This causes thought as to which of the latest HV whiz-bang stuff, has the highest energy at 100metres? Anyone know?
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As a .22 plinker of many years, I've found myself shooting predominantly ICI .22 Standard Velocity rounds. This causes thought as to which of the latest HV whiz-bang stuff, has the highest energy at 100metres? Anyone know?
Not sure, but in theory it is relatively easy to work out. They post advertised velocities and weight on the packet. You simply get the weight (GR) and multiply it by the velocity x Velocity
Or do what I do and put the speed and weight into a ballistic calculator and let some smart IT type figure out the rest..
https://www.hornady.com/team-hornady...alculators/#!/
CCI Velicitor.
A well placed shot with a lower energy projectile is often a cleaner kill than a poorly placed shot carrying higher energy, particularly with non-jacketed projectiles that don't deform enough to release their energy in the first place.
My recommendation with a .22LR at 100m is don't worry so much about the energy, and focus on accuracy - test a bunch of different ammo and use what is most accurate in your rifle. Work out your maximum 'minute of rabbit' distance based on your grouping and stick to that max range. Most of my .22's will shoot CCI standard velocity into 1/2 the group size of the extreme speed stuff at 100m. That said, I personally limit my .22LR range to 75m on rabbits.
I made up a life size rabbit target for testing. Printed on A4 paper this is pretty much spot on. It has the vital kill zones circled. To work out your max effective range, you need to be able to get 100% of your rounds grouped into either of the kill zones.
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Agree with this, my longest distance rabbits and hares have all been with either CCI std velocity or SK Standard, both of which are just roundnose non expanding bullets. ive shot several hares and rabbits over 100m with it, the furthest few were between 150 and 165m. dropped them on the spot, just need to get your trajectory dialed in
velocitors i mainly use for goats up close in a semi
Velocitor have good test results on ballistic he’ll on you tube,go really well in my Brno .I use mostly subs though these days and rely on accurate shot placement to kill.
I've found that essentially all of the flash high velocity stuff is Rubbish. It falls dismally short of the advertised MV. I've tested Velocitor, Stinger, Aguila Super Max and Interceptor. Some of it is just snake oil. Worse is they generally have poor standard deviation. The most consistent HV ammo I have found, in terms of the claimed MV and good SD across the chrony, has been the 36gr CCI Mini Mag.
In my experience, standard velocity kills small pests just fine.
I'm surprised that Standard wins the 'race' as it were. For sheer velocity, it appears that the age old Stinger, Velocitor and Mini mag win hands down. Thanks for that, sort of what I expected.
Hi @hotbarrels - that is a great target. Do you have it stored as a file you might consider sharing? I've often thought I should practice offhand and semi-supported with the 22 as these sort of shots are common when stalking bunnies in the long grass and such where I usually hunt.
We have some reactive steel targets at the range but you can only shoot them from one bay normally so having this would be useful to put up on any target board and practice placement. Cheers!
It's the same old story - speed thrills, but accuracy does the killing.
I have achieved the most consistent results at 100m shooting at metal plates using CCI Standard and MiniMag. If I was to choose a runner-up it would be Stinger.
CCI Sub-sonics: 40gr 1050 fps
CCI Standard: 32gr 1070 fps
CCI MiniMag: 38gr 1260 fps
CCI Velocitor: 40gr 1435 fps
CCi Stinger: 32gr 1640 fps
CCI Copper: 21gr 1850 fps
Round nosed solids for me, after being suprised by their consistent accuracy and velocity I managed to get several thousand rounds of winchester m 22 for a very good price.
The stuff was evidently designed for use with .22 ar conversions and the demand suddenly dissapeared!
Anyhow the claimed velocity of 1250 is wrong it's 1215 with a SD of 8 which is pretty bloody good.
I don't think hollow points really are that much better at small game shooting velocities and I'm sure some of the hollow pointing I've seen must throw the balance off.
how do the copper ones go for expansion and accuracy ?
I would have to agree regarding the accuracy over speed comments. I have never recovered a 22 bullet from a rabbit. They almost always go right through, even subsonics like Magtech that were almost a bucket (big hollow point). As such, when shooting rabbits, increasd speed will fall (flatten the curve.....) but the additional energy simply makes a deeper hole behind the animal you just shot....
I have always had better success with subsonics than I have with hyper velocity, but mostly due to accuracy and my practise / familiarity with the trajectory.
From my range testing of super quick 1700+fps Fiocchi I found it had half the drop at distance and half the accuracy. Wasn't good enough - accuracy is king for a 22.
We effectively shoot bunnies at 100m with ammos that group well in a specific 22. Sometimes high velocity ammos (1200-1300fps) can shoot just as accurately at 100 as subs (down to half inch groups at 100m) - depends totally on the individual rifle.
Those (winchester I think) 40grn power points must be up there.
Used a hell of a lot of both Winchester Sub and Power Point both 40 gr. In the Marlin I once had muzzle velocity of Win Power Point was 1240 Av and Subsonic in my Ruger was at 1050 fps. Both these rounds were capable of good accuracy out to 75 -80 yards with shots at 100 still being doable. An accurate rifle is important but plenty of practice helps a lot.
Accuracy is great but accuracy and good expansion is better.
I always had good accuracy and terminal performance from Australian 40grpowerpoint.....American was different and may as well have been solid cos it didnt expand.
The Winchester 42gr sub (Australian ) shot very well in my rifle and hit with a wallop...didn't get runners with a engine room shot.
Couldn't find them for a while went cci sub, shot very well maybe slightly better than the win but it doesnt put down rabbits and hares the same, I dont think it expands at all.
Just got a brick of American 42gr whinny supersonic.....I hope they have learnt off the Australians......
Yep - a slow certain hit is better than a fast certain miss.
I found the same when I ran out of Winchester subs and used CCI,more runners as they had a tiny hollow point compared to the Winchester which hit with a resounding thump and stopped game dead in their tracks.
Anyone tried CCI 3-segment HPs?
Tried them out when they first went on sale. Disappointed with accuracy out of Marlin and 10/22. If I recall correctly, it claimed Stinger-like velocity.
The rapid fragmentation claimed may work on nuisance birds at close distances but thereafter its just another overpriced novelty round.
Shot the supersonic 42gr American powerpoint today at 100y , accuracy wasnt terrible considering the wind.
The old orange packet Winchester Power Point was the shit. I always thought it wounded disproportionately for 22lr. Seen a mate drop goats and a small pig with it and was pretty surprised when we skinned them.
Yep. Those are the ones I was referring to earlier. They certainly lived up to their name.
@Steelisreal PM me your home email address and I will send you a file. I cannot attach files to the PM system on the forum for some reason??
Alternatively, if you are using a PC (not sure how on Mac), in the search field in the bottom left of your screen on the taskbar, search for "Snipping Tool". Click on the app (it comes as part of microsoft), click on "New" and this will let you draw a box around anything in screen and will create a jpeg of it. With the rabbit image showing, draw a box around it, then open MS Word and paste the image. Size it to max out an A4 page and you are pretty much on scale for a adult rabbit.
I keep plenty of printed copies handy for practice, plus, if you laminate some, you can practice in the rain.
Yikes! Using Windows 10 I just hit Winkey + Shift + S.
And take it from there.
I either paste the snip into a Word doc (handy if capturing several images) or save the original as a jpeg, or Ctrl P and save using Windows pdf creator to a pdf file.
Previous computer had Snag-It installed which was good.
Re the posted image I have captured it already but using a Samsung Tablet and pen. I just held the pen on the image and from the options that came up I selected "save". Only trouble is the saved image is only low res (116KB) and may not print the best. Have yet to try it.
Likewise screen capturing the image. If it's low res to start with the screen capture has no way of improving that.
Bloody desk jockey's .......:D
The reason I offered the above solution is that it will work on any item you have on screen, even if that is a paused YouTube video that you want to cut and paste as a jpeg. Its a very useful tool to have in your arsenal.
My JW15 likes them, and anything I shot with them got real dead. I actually thought they were 4 segments, I must check again.
As an interesting side point, I found that when I was euthanising cows, solid points don't work, I tried target ammo and even some solid point tracer. Hollow points worked better, and the segmented ones were best.
@Kopua Cowboy, my bad, yes the base is indeed the 4th segment. The front three 'petal' segments remind me of the three nose bits in a drill chuck.