Thread: 3 shot groups are useless!

Originally Posted by Shearer

It would be a difficult statistical exercise determining what "average shooting proficiency" is.

Some would keep their targets fill of holes for compititons,other would keep their freezers fill of meat.

Originally Posted by Trout

Some would keep their targets fill of holes for compititons,other would keep their freezers fill of meat.

It is possible to be interested in, or do, more than 1 thing!

Bugger the barrel,keep my hands warm in the nights watching deer.

I like both, one sharpens the other. Going hunting tonight!

Originally Posted by Tentman

I like both, one sharpens the other. Going hunting tonight!

Good luck getting some meat.Il watch rugby,gota support the kiwi teams.

Hornady podcast about this topic.

https://youtu.be/QwumAGRmz2I?si=WdxbljnpXvD5JMzT

Interesting vid stug,but at $4 or $5 a rd,I won't be firing 10 -20 groups.Il stick to these one shots groups fired 10minuts apart.Good enough for hunting.Im not going in the Olympic shooting team.lols

Hornday superformance ssts 165gr is very accurate out to 400-500yds,deer have found that out.

@Trout repeat that exercise 10 or 20 times, combine all the targets and you have a 20 shot group. The main thrust of the podcast was that the larger the sample size the smaller the variability between groups,

Ye I gathered that,more shots,more info.

Best i can do is 9 shots in 15 minutes using Hornady ssts 165gr(2016)
1st group after light cleaning of barrel.Pension doesn't allow this these days at $5 a rd.Excuse the bic pen scribble.

Enough info here to drop a big stag 296ds the next morning.lols

Here are some of my targets from last weekends Zuppa benchrest shoot, this is with my light varmint rifle (up to 10.5lbs)

You have seven minutes to shoot your score group with unlimited sighters, first group is 10 mins

This is all 5 shot groups with 6 PPC at 100 yards. measurements are thousands of an inch, there wasn't much wind at all, all weekend, we have 4 good flags to 100 so "know" what's going on...yeah right



Christ knows what happened in my first group, one just took off high, my neighbour was watching and couldn't understand how it happened either

The 0.88 & 0.146 were shot in the same condition, conditions clearly my rifle liked, I stuffed the 4th shot on the 0.146 otherwise it would have been closer to 0.88

Here are my groups at 200 yards, another two flags out to 200 so 6 flags in total & bugger all wind to talk about



For reference I came 4th out of 8 at 100 & 2nd at 200 placing me 2nd overall for light gun & I managed the same in heavy gun with a different rifle & 2nd over all for both which is the 2 gun, the main event

So what I'm getting at here is my light rifle & arguably my heavy rifle (which normally shoots better) are genuine 0.1 moa 5 shot rifles but only in the right conditions without an idiot driving them

Trust me when someone else (your partner) is driving the same rifles & loads & beating you, you figure out pretty quickly you aren't as good at shooting as she is

For what its worth I shot both these barrels for the first time at the nationals (the last shoot) with the same load & came 1st overall out of 15

Most of the time the rifle & load is good/great, shooting at the right time & conditions (that you can see) makes the difference

Comparing these rifles, rests etc to a hunting rifle is like comparing your Corolla to a F1 car

When you think about it, with all the variables, is incredible we can have two or more projectiles touching at 100 plus

My Nissan Patrol better than a Corolla.

Originally Posted by Trout

My Nissan Patrol better than a GR Corolla.

Depends what you want to use it for

Originally Posted by Trout

My Nissan Patrol better than a Corolla.

The poor old Nissan will be down the road when you win the NZDA raffle Toyota though

Gidday All

Went to the range this arvo (after spending 3 hours hunting on Friday night with the wind constantly shifting to be up our arse = no shots fired) but the weather was poor, it was pissing down,and anyone who wears glasses will appreciate how difficult it is to shoot good groups in these sorts of conditions,
I'd say the weather added 0.5 to 0.75 MOA to groups, at times I practically had to guess where to shoot.

Anyhoo here are the raw results from two of my favorite hunting rifles, 9 shots each at 100M from a very light Weatherby "varmintmaster" 22-250 and my heavy "long range" rifle - a Savage 6.5/284 (which isn't by any means actually heavy, it has one of @camowsm s Bartelin "featherweight" barrels and is about 4.3 kgs). I have Ballistis-× analysis of the initial 3 shots as well as the final 9 shots which give some interesting results. I'll post these up after dinner.



The target paper got very wet so the bullet holes are a bit squidggy!