Thread: 3 shot groups are useless!

Originally Posted by Tahr

That "practical compromise" is probably what most of us do. I do. I shoot many 3 shot groups over time with my rifles and hold a mental picture in my mind of the built multi shot group. The greatest likely whoopsee is zero shift, but you know that when you see it.

Yup, but I started to seriously doubt Gimp when he talked about 1.5moa Tikkas...AI has turned my world on its head...and it's just warming up I imagine.

Originally Posted by Tentman

Bejassuuus Grant, you must be feeling "flush" to waste money on a 5 shotter!

Lols,my last 4 in 1 group will last a year,no need to waste ammo.12 deer and 1 pig found that out so far this spring.Enjoy your groupies,lols.

Had some spare time today so thought I’d check two rifles for 200 metre elevation after doing range shoots out to 600 yards with 223 and 900 yards with 6.5 CM. Started of as a balls up because I’d wound 223 scope the wrong way to zero after shooting on Saturday and ended up a whole revolution high. Thank fck I hadn’t gone for a hunt. Anyhow, some results below, I generally only shoot 3 shot groups to check zero. Top two 223 Belmont bulk ammo.

Group after winding off 6 mil elevation after seeing where first shots went on bank above target. Still a bit high.

Slight elevation adjustment, waterline is ok but gave up because of left go right wind mucking up windage.
Moved on to CM using ammo dregs left over from load development.

I know there’s 4 shots but I thought they were all the same load so used them up. Aiming point was actually below out of frame. Still had scope set at 300 yard zero.

7 clicks down. Last three shots before I gave up with wind. Not the greatest but reasonably confident I’ve near enough re-established 200 metre elevation zero.
I might have a final check on Friday if the wind pisses off, yes they’ll be 3 shot groups. Or I’ll go out to gun club and do a 300 yard 10 shot test group at 300 yards just to see. That’s if the wind stays away on Saturday arvo which doesn’t usually happen at Kaituna range.

The stupidity of this thread is that there are situations where a 10 shot group actually makes sense . Unfortunately no-one has the ability to quantify it , and just pontificate or try to show how superior they are.
As a hunter if you need to fire more than 3 shots to bring down an animal I would suggest you either take up a different sport or actually learn how to shoot!. For a target shooter firing 10 shot strings , it makes sence if the group is shot within the designated time limit of their discipline . And also for the pest controller also albeit at a limited range , the old Adige of "Train as you mean to fight" holds true.
But above all else if you are not shooting in a windless tunnel and a machine rest , all you are doing is testing your ability and not the rifles .

Originally Posted by Tankd

The stupidity of this thread is that there are situations where a 10 shot group actually makes sense . Unfortunately no-one has the ability to quantify it , and just pontificate or try to show how superior they are.
As a hunter if you need to fire more than 3 shots to bring down an animal I would suggest you either take up a different sport or actually learn how to shoot!. For a target shooter firing 10 shot strings , it makes sence if the group is shot within the designated time limit of their discipline . And also for the pest controller also albeit at a limited range , the old Adige of "Train as you mean to fight" holds true.
But above all else if you are not shooting in a windless tunnel and a machine rest , all you are doing is testing your ability and not the rifles .

It's never been about whether you can shoot deer quite happily (and successfully) zeroing with three shot groups...we all know you can. It's whether you (and you alone) understand and then care that three shot groups might well cause your true zero to be a click or two off (or more with some rifles). I do care but I'm a weirdo...you don't care and more power to you my man.