Can I take my A-cat AR15 to a club day and run someone elses 30 round mag through it for the purpose of completing a course? And if no, can I run a course using someone elses E-cat rifle even though im only A-cat endorsed?
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Can I take my A-cat AR15 to a club day and run someone elses 30 round mag through it for the purpose of completing a course? And if no, can I run a course using someone elses E-cat rifle even though im only A-cat endorsed?
Not sure about first question but 2nd is a no. Unless it's changed, only the person who is can use the ecat legally is the person it is registered to.
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No and No.
I'm deliberately leaving out the legal-speak and providing you with the bottom line to cut out the fluff.
Simple answer is no you can't to both of your questions. A 30-round mag in an unendorsed AR15 rifle means you just "manufactured" an unlawful MSSA. And using someone's e-cat rifle, is also an offence irrespective if you have the right endorsement because the rifle is registered to them.
Learn to use your 7-rounders and reload quickly. Depending on your course of fire, As might be more important than a bigger mag. Or just get your E then problem solved.
Unfortunately No and No which is just BS because you can got to a pistol club and shoots someones glock with a 30 round mag no problem.
I'ts a lot of fun to try to keep up with 7 round mags and as has already been pointed out, depending on the course of fire may not be such a disadvantage.
Consider A-cat SKS, 7-rd fixed mag with bolt-hold-open feature, and reload with stripper clips. About Half the movement of a mag change.
You can load 7 rounds in the stripper clip even if it's made for 10. Shortening the clip itself will make it work only from one end, so bad idea.
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Stripper clips are good but try mounting a decent scope and using stripper clips...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
Yes, I cringe when I see big scopes on an SKS, like I also dislike my decision to top scope my SMLE 'H' barrel sporter. The stripper clips are just such a simple and convenient invention by Peter Paul Mauser. As it is, you don't need a big long scope at the ranges you'll use an SKS at. A small red dot, a short scope, a side mount scope, or a forward mounted scout scope are all options compatible with charger loading. I suspect many SKS owners have never used a stripper clip. But SKS mag changes are not as nifty as on the AR15. The mags on the SKS were not intended to be changed but were made as removable, fixed magazines, topped up from above.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
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I think this guy put on a decent scope, and preserved stripper loading by lengthening the shoulder stock. Could of course just wear a kapok stuffed Mao coat when shooting it.. (-:
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Originally Posted by dogmatix
Most certainly not
Try it and see what happens.
When you get arrested, just say you're a fit and proper person and should be able to own any guns and magazines that you like.
Let us know how you get on. You don't have to use your one phone call from jail. (Use that to ring a lawyer.) Let us know later.
That's telling you how it is Ryan, no chance of being confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
I would rather ask than find out the hard way. I know I cant run a 30 round mag in my rifle but was thinking that maybe there was some exception whilst the rifle was at a sanctioned club being used. Obviously not. I dont know if the AR15 is really my thing but thought maybe doing a few club days might be a bit of fun and help me to make up my mind if its worth getting an EQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
@Ryan_Songhurst getting your "E" is not really that difficult it just means that some how you are more 'fitter and proper'er" than all those 'a" catters, (don't ask me how that is as even after being vetted 3 x for a,b an e I still think I am the same person neither better or worse, I should ask Systolic to explain maybe ) , the main drawback is you would end up with 2 AR's one "e" version to do your club thing with and the other, "a" version that you can let others use under your supervision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Like the ad says.......................just do it.........................or not!!
E endorsement is easy to get if you are fit and proper. I would recommend it. Good opportunity to upgrade your overall secure storage. .223 factory ammo is piss cheap these days. Putting a lot of rounds through an E cat AR will help cement your shooting fundamentals. Good thing with an E endorsement also is you dont have to worry about minimum club attendance to keep it. You can come and go as you please or find the interest. Service rifle competition is a great shooting sport to get into with E cats. IPSC rifle is also great fun.
Make sure they are all "E"s or all "A"s don't have a mix of the two. The police have been known to put an E mag into an A and claim the person had an unregistered E. The person had an E and an A and the magazine was stored separate to the A.
Heres the thing its perfectly legal to have hi cap mags on a bolt gun, plenty are manufactured to take ar or pmags but what happens if you buy an a cat ar, you have the capability to "manufacture" an mssa. Where does this stand in law.
The definition of mssa and e cat is really so poorly thought out.
Exactly, which is why my A-Cat AR has the bolt out and a cable lock (combination lock) through the mag well/ejection port, so plod can't stick a mag in or swap the upper with my E-Cat rifles and try that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Meh, I have multiple of each in the same safe. If they are going to fit you up, they are going to fit you up, there's not much you can do about it. A guy I know was talking about zip tying an A cat mag housing into his A cat rifle, just in case they decided to ruin him blah blah blah. I'm like "Err there's no way they'll be able to cut a cable tie, right?"Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
True... the story that was floating around social media about plod doing it certainly had more to the story, likely involving a search warrant.
I store my A cats in a separate safe with an A cat mag in the lower. If they want to try it on they will be manufacturing their own evidence. A good rule of thumb is to not come to the attention of police as much as possible.
@Ryan_Songhurst your more then welcome to come along with me to the next service rifle shoot in West Melton. Frank the Army range warden does a top job of running SR matches there and serials are run on an even playing field for competing with an Acat AR against Ecat ones. But I would still encourage getting your E endorsement.
As for storing A's with E's in terms of magazine compatibility between either a bolt action rifle and an AR or between two AR's, I wouldn't worry. Nicholas Taylor has clarified that the police have no grounds for prosecution under statute law.
Think about it, everything can be interpreted differently but it's intent that matters. If you keep your 7 round mag in your Acat AR and your 20 rounder in your Mossberg MVP, then you intended to abide by the law (obviously) but what's the difference for example; you kept a pistol grip in your cupboard for a bolt action precision chassis you're building, and you had an Acat AR with thumb-hole stock - You haven't broken any law but you could "manufacture an MSSA."
It's not worth the hassle of zip tying things or putting combo locks through mag wells. Remind yourself that we are not criminals and that we shouldn't have to "prepare" ourselves for something that has not gone through due process.
Don't be fooled by their ultra vires policy crap.
Owning a shotgun AND a hacksaw, doesn't make you a pistol owner does it?
It does if you're suffering from PNHQ blue think.Quote:
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