Thread: Factory/Factory 223 Accuracy Challenge

And, not a factory rifle... but

Not the best group Ive shot with this ammo but about average
(ignore the red MSPaint lines)

Hey thanks for making the table @gimp. We should have some more Tikka, Sako and Browning results with the ammo going out today.

Seems the cheap Howa's pisses all over the expensive brands, acurracy wise.😉

Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

Fortunately I'm also one of the plebs that has a 1-12 factory rifle, and today I had a bit of time to spare after the rain and before the bloody Nor'wester really got up. Thought i'd give this 10 round thing a bit of a crack to see what I could do. So trundled on down to the range and sent 10 Fiocchi 55gn Polymer tipped boolits downrange, a bit of a breeze coming in left to right, 1/2-3/4 value. And this is what I got
Attachment 284091
Thats a 10 round group, no prep, no dialing, no offset, just went out and shot it. Havent fired the rifle for maybe a year. 28mm group at 100 metres - thats .289 mil if Im correct, or under 1 moa.

Good to see the 1:12s getting involved. Next time I get to range I'll put one of this fiochi through my 700 and post up my results

Shots in numerical order as best as I can remember. Once again cold or cooler shots in the black before blowing out.

Hahn, what rifle was That?

Originally Posted by flock

Hahn, what rifle was That?

Tikka T3x 16" 1-8 twist. 10x scope.

The weather here today was WINDY. But we went to the range to challenge ourselves. I was joined by "Half MOA Tikka Tony" and Frank. Tony has Tikka T3X I. 223 that he purchased recently, fluted 20" model. And it's been giving him "issues", he has found it to be very bullet fussy and had a long list of projectiles he'd tried but failed to get to shoot nicely . . . and that list included Hornardy 73 ELDMs.

So he went off to the 100M mound and commenced shooting with Fiocchi 55gn SP and 55 Hornardy V-Maxs. Neither were up to his standards but he got going on the 73s. Half way through the 10 shot string he requested a break to check his target . . . And dammit I forgot to take a picture but it looked easy sub MOA. Back to the 100M mound we went in the wind and he completed the group. No doubting "Tikka Tony's" shooting, pretty bloody good for a rifle that didn't like ELDMs.



That group measures 0.97 MOA. with an excellent MR at 0.9cm

My Tikka was at hand, I tried a few groups of Fiocchi V-Max ammo and considering the wind, gusty over our right shoulder, I was pretty happy with this:



But then after Frank had put a few rounds through our rifles (he's a "one rifle 270" man)I was looking for something else to do so pinched Tony's ammo box, he had 10 rounds each of the favored loads for his Tikka, these were 69 TMKs and Sierra 69 HPBTs over 24.5 of 2208.

I didn't want to use his last ammo so resolved to do 5 shot groups. Well bugger me but they shot astoundingly well in my Tikka too, I'll copy his loads and try some 10 shot groups in due course.



I'm a bit scared to measure these but the small one with the HPBT is less than 13mm, which is less than 0.5 MOA.

However enough Tikka Talk. This thread is about setting reasonable expectations for factory rifles with a proven factory ammo. So it was time to test another Howa, this time HFP, which is a Howa Mini 1:8 20" with the lightweight barrel.

And here it goes:



Now this is supposed to be a 10 round challenge but the last two shots were fired after the supressor came loose, so I've excluded them. Happy to discuss this . .. when do you leave shots out of a group?

Anyhoo, not the world's best group but totally minute of wallaby to 300M and deer to 250M.

Originally Posted by Tentman

However enough Tikka Talk. This thread is about setting reasonable expectations for factory rifles with a proven factory ammo. So it was time to test another Howa, this time HFP, which is a Howa Mini 1:8 20" with the lightweight barrel.

And here it goes:

Attachment 284508

Now this is supposed to be a 10 round challenge but the last two shots were fired after the supressor came loose, so I've excluded them. Happy to discuss this . .. when do you leave shots out of a group?

Anyhoo, not the world's best group but totally minute of wallaby to 300M and deer to 250M.

I still think they count to be fair that flyer in my group was when the rifle slipped off the water bottle I was using as bipod
You asked for honest 10 shot groups its to easy come up with excuses/reasons if you edit groups imo
We all have good and bad days

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Originally Posted by BRADS

I still think they count to be fair that flyer in my group was when the rifle slipped off the water bottle I was using as bipod
You asked for honest 10 shot groups its to easy come up with excuses/reasons if you edit groups imo
We all have good and bad days

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Exactly. The 20 shot group I posted somewhere was actually 17 shots of an inch and then I found 3 more rounds in the truck when packing up so fired those too to make it 20 before collecting the target. They blew the group out by half an inch but it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Tentman

However enough Tikka Talk. This thread is about setting reasonable expectations for factory rifles with a proven factory ammo. So it was time to test another Howa, this time HFP, which is a Howa Mini 1:8 20" with the lightweight barrel.

And here it goes:

Attachment 284508

Now this is supposed to be a 10 round challenge but the last two shots were fired after the supressor came loose, so I've excluded them. Happy to discuss this . .. when do you leave shots out of a group?

Anyhoo, not the world's best group but totally minute of wallaby to 300M and deer to 250M.

There's a clear mechanical problem with the rifle system. The data is invalid. Discard and re-do to collect a valid measurement.

Originally Posted by gimp

There's a clear mechanical problem with the rifle system. The data is invalid. Discard and re-do to collect a valid measurement.

Dang, there goes $35 of ammo . . . It was an expensive experiment!

Originally Posted by gimp

There's a clear mechanical problem with the rifle system. The data is invalid. Discard and re-do to collect a valid measurement.

Unless you were intending to measure the precision of a howa mini with a loose suppressor, I suppose