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    Hardys are making suppressors in the USA

    Hardys can made in the USA, cool to see a kiwi making stuff for the yanks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzZl...28mfwx3wlPA9ZA
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    they look a bit bland... ??

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    I'm sure these where rushed for shot show and allso a lot of people go to shot to copy stuff so I'm guessing the finished ones for sale will look like the ones we have here

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    Suppressor market in the USA is VERY different to New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daggers_187 View Post
    Suppressor market in the USA is VERY different to New Zealand.
    How so?

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    How so?
    Suppressors are regulated by the national firearms act. For those who don't understand how that works, it's akin to the system we have here for E/B/C category firearms.
    If you want to purchase a suppressor in the USA, you have to find one you want, then you pay the supplier for it (This could be the manufacturer or the dealer or whatever), then you fill out an ATF form 4 (It's like a permit to procure, only it requires a set of fingerprints and a signature of a law enforcement officer*) You then file the form 4 with the ATF along with a cheque for $200. ATF does background checks and approves you form 4, which can take anywhere from a month to 6 months. ATF affixes a stamp and sends you the completed form 4 back. You then take the form 4 back to the dealer/individual/manufacturer from which you purchased the suppressor and they let you take possession of it.

    So- you pay for the suppressor, then six months later you can finally take it home. If you sell it - same process again.

    EDIt: Also - general usage varies a heap as well. Suppressors are still illegal for hunting in a lot of states, so the majority of usage they get is heavy sustained fire on a range. Bearing in mind that if you damage the suppressor, its a lot of rigmarole to go through to have it repaired.
    Suppressor designs in the USA are traditionally aimed at achieving robustness as opposed to weight reduction. A lightweight aluminium suppressor might be ideal for hunting, but sustained fire will cause issues.
    With that in mind, and the hoops you jump through to get a suppressor, a large number of consumers are going to prefer a heavier, but more durable design, as opposed to a lighter suppressor.

    *Note: I know you can bypass this with a trust but shhhhh for the sake of simplicity.
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    but its made in the USA? so how does that benefit NZ jobs?

    I want to get a suppressor but it will be a NZ made one.
    "I do not wish to be a pawn or canon fodder on the whims of MY Government"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyP View Post
    How so?
    Highly restricted, you need a $200 ATF stamp/licence to get one and it takes many months and they cost the earth.

    think cat E but on steroids by the look of it.

    The crazy thing is in NZ a flash suppressor on a semi-auto is a Cat E device but a suppressor is not, in the USA its the reverse.
    "I do not wish to be a pawn or canon fodder on the whims of MY Government"

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    they are all designed here ect and all the nz and uk ones ect are made here in NZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven View Post
    but its made in the USA? so how does that benefit NZ jobs?

    I want to get a suppressor but it will be a NZ made one.


    they are all designed here ect and all the nz and uk ones ect are made here in NZ

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    Very interesting, thanks for the informative answer Daggers.

    Never would've thought the US would have such hoops for a suppressor. Wonder if any of its due to the Hollywood hype where it makes a large caliber rifle go from "BOOOOM" to "pew."

    Must admit I held that view before I got into firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steven View Post
    but its made in the USA? so how does that benefit NZ jobs?

    I want to get a suppressor but it will be a NZ made one.
    Mmmm... in fact send them all to the yanks in my opinion dpt is now the new benchmark

    Mind you hardy probably think they have a decent market share here, and what I understand that company in the usa are making his cans under lisence so I guess he still gets some coin for them, still id rather see them exported but alot of hoops to jump through whuch is fair enough
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    RE : The USA in reguards to suppressor export or import , its basically a closed country , no imports or exports with out approval of the US State Dept , on the 17th Jan 1974 US State dept , put a embargo on suppressors to latin America , and in 2nd may 1974 , suspension of all export licences for supprssors & automatic weapons designed to be used with suppressors for 3rd world countries .
    This was done to stop Ingram M10 subguns & cans being exported .
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