Thread: New range laws and shooting on unregistered ranges

It's all in the discussion document $830 per range and $500 for a "special event" range even if it's only a one off organised shoot. There's a lot more in there and submissions close 4 may.
It would be nice to have the established national bodies get a set of guidelines out so people can formulate their own replies. A copy n paste template is no good.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

It's all in the discussion document $830 per range and $500 for a "special event" range even if it's only a one off organised shoot. There's a lot more in there and submissions close 4 may.
It would be nice to have the established national bodies get a set of guidelines out so people can formulate their own replies. A copy n paste template is no good.

Don't forget, that that cost is the estimated Police Cost Recovery, the Shooting Range Inspector may also have costs associated as they will likely need travel to get on-site for the inspection and spend time actually doing their part and the write up.

All I see is my range that cost me a lot of time and money going up in smoke because those swine bastards at PNHQ think they know how to think.
What am I supposed to do when I want to shoot some targets? I cannot afford to buy their bullshit 'approval' I will be forced to shoot at different locations every time so there is no set range.
The neighbors are going to fucking love that.

You bastards at PNHQ reading this? Get a real job.

Originally Posted by 40mm

All I see is my range that cost me a lot of time and money going up in smoke because those swine bastards at PNHQ think they know how to think.
What am I supposed to do when I want to shoot some targets? I cannot afford to buy their bullshit 'approval' I will be forced to shoot at different locations every time so there is no set range.
The neighbors are going to fucking love that.

You bastards at PNHQ reading this? Get a real job.

I'd really like to see a justification from PNHQ on the value of this, a balanced scorecard on how these specific changes will "make us safer", reduce harm and crime in the community and identify specific cases where had this legislation been in place, a crime would have been prevented, failing that, an accident or injury would have been prevented. But not something related to human factors like a ND which could just as easily happen on a "certified range"

I'd like somewhere comfortable to wait though.

Originally Posted by imaca

I'd really like to see a justification from PNHQ on the value of this, a balanced scorecard on how these specific changes will "make us safer", reduce harm and crime in the community and identify specific cases where had this legislation been in place, a crime would have been prevented, failing that, an accident or injury would have been prevented. But not something related to human factors like a ND which could just as easily happen on a "certified range"

I'd like somewhere comfortable to wait though.

It's not about making us safer. It's about making it difficult so you give up and do something else

What he said.

Don't get lost in the minutia of the proposed regulations. Look at the big picture. There was no problem prior to the Police incompetence that permitted an Aussie psycho to get one of our FAL. None of the proposed changes stand up to a robust cost-benefit analysis, as incidents by licenced FAL holders have been very few and far between. This is all part of a much bigger push to make the average Kiwi citizen more pliable and compliant to forthcoming social engineering. Oh...but if you are a gang member...none of this applies to you.

My take: there's going to be an awful lot of 'pest control' being undertaken by mates of farmers on their private property.

How many people have been killed on a NRA or NZDA range - think of a number smaller than 1.

What was the problem again?

If there are no permanent structures present it is not a range. Mobile shooting bench/targets. I'm sure we will see some very clever bits of kit contrived to stay within the numbskull regulations we all know will be implemented.

Originally Posted by XR500

What he said.

Don't get lost in the minutia of the proposed regulations. Look at the big picture. There was no problem prior to the Police incompetence that permitted an Aussie psycho to get one of our FAL. None of the proposed changes stand up to a robust cost-benefit analysis, as incidents by licenced FAL holders have been very few and far between. This is all part of a much bigger push to make the average Kiwi citizen more pliable and compliant to forthcoming social engineering. Oh...but if you are a gang member...none of this applies to you.

My take: there's going to be an awful lot of 'pest control' being undertaken by mates of farmers on their private property.

But I like shooting targets.
I don't want to be setting gongs and cans up every time I shoot.

Seems like road ends/quarries/river beds etc are going to get a lot messier in the pursuit of "safety".

Originally Posted by 40mm

But I like shooting targets.
I don't want to be setting gongs and cans up every time I shoot.

so dont...have steel sculptures set up in strategically pleasing to the eye positions around the show...... steampunk is all the rage dont you know....

Good idea. But I have grown fond of shooting cans filled with water. I have a wheely bin full of empties to shoot, and a contraption to fill 20 at a time, and a small trough with ballcock etc for filling.

Put a bit of effort into it, and for what?
Not happy is what.

Just spent around 4 hours filling out the discussion document for public consultation. Not much time left to get yours in. Cant help feeling I am wasting my time, but I live in hope that some sense will prevail

Currently clay bird shooting at the local club and pleasing to see a large group from the local high school out here. All potential future shooters and some potential Olympic shooters.
Unfortunately under the new rules they wont be able to return if passed.
Even the ladies on the committee that cook the sausages will need a license dispite the fact they have no interest in shooting.

Originally Posted by 40mm

Good idea. But I have grown fond of shooting cans filled with water. I have a wheely bin full of empties to shoot, and a contraption to fill 20 at a time, and a small trough with ballcock etc for filling.

Put a bit of effort into it, and for what?
Not happy is what.

It would seem quite funny if it weren't so bloody serious.