Thread: NZDA requires FAL number

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
IT IS ILLEGAL. Comprehension does not seem to be strong today. As I stated in an earlier post Your permit allows you to enter with a rifle, hunt and kill game with some exceptions. It does allow you to sight in a rifle. The Range Manual give the conditions for casual sighting in not on a range first of which is the permission of the landowner for the activity which a hunting permit does not provide.
Please read this carefully and regards GPM.

Greetings All,
It was getting late and I see that I omitted a small but important word in this post. To be clear a hunting permit does NOT allow you to sight in on DoC land. Public Land is a phrase that has been imported from the US recently. Formerly it would have been called Crown Land. Effectively this is held and administered by the NZ Government so for practical purposes the Government owns the land administered by DoC. Look up the DoC Management Plan for the land you are interested in.
GPM.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
It was getting late and I see that I omitted a small but important word in this post. To be clear a hunting permit does NOT allow you to sight in on DoC land. Public Land is a phrase that has been imported from the US recently. Formerly it would have been called Crown Land. Effectively this is held and administered by the NZ Government so for practical purposes the Government owns the land administered by DoC. Look up the DoC Management Plan for the land you are interested in.
GPM.

For ease of all of us and not wanting to crash the permits system....can you please post the portion that states you are NOT allowed to sight in on DoC land.

That would be helpful

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Originally Posted by HNTMAD

For ease of all of us and not wanting to crash the permits system....can you please post the portion that states you are NOT allowed to sight in on DoC land.

That would be helpful

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we are ALL going around in circles with this point - just spent time studying all the relevant stuff on DOC site - it does not state anywhere on DOC permit that to sight in a rifle is illegal - but the permit only gives the legal right to hunt - sighting in is not mentioned -there is this statement
No firearm shall be discharged:
In the vicinity of huts, tracks, campsites, road-ends or other public places
thats clear enough even though public place could be all of the area -the permit gives the right to shoot animals on it - my reading of this is these would be specific places with high public use - but we are still not ahead - Woods223 is right a legal opinion is need to clarify this [U]- but do you really want to open a can of[/U] worms you may not want the awnser to - as an ex Ranger with over 30 years in the field if I had come across a hunter with a target up and putting a few check shots thru his rifle provided they past the common sense safety test I would have wished them well and driven of - I would not have considered it illegal if they had a permit - clearly permission is required - is a permit enough - I still have some good knowledgeable mates in DOC may ask a few very quietly what they think - but I also know the best would be a DOC Solicitor

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

we are ALL going around in circles with this point - just spent time studying all the relevant stuff on DOC site - it does not state anywhere on DOC permit that to sight in a rifle is illegal - but the permit only gives the legal right to hunt - sighting in is not mentioned -there is this statement
No firearm shall be discharged:
In the vicinity of huts, tracks, campsites, road-ends or other public places
thats clear enough even though public place could be all of the area -the permit gives the right to shoot animals on it - my reading of this is these would be specific places with high public use - but we are still not ahead - Woods223 is right a legal opinion is need to clarify this [U]- but do you really want to open a can of[/U] worms you may not want the awnser to - as an ex Ranger with over 30 years in the field if I had come across a hunter with a target up and putting a few check shots thru his rifle provided they past the common sense safety test I would have wished them well and driven of - I would not have considered it illegal if they had a permit - clearly permission is required - is a permit enough - I still have some good knowledgeable mates in DOC may ask a few very quietly what they think - but I also know the best would be a DOC Solicitor

There are shades of grey in the activity too, 1-2 shots to double check zero after rifle takes a knock in the middle of a five day trip is on a different part of the spectrum to load development and testing. Both of which can be judged against clause 5 of the permit.