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    Quote Originally Posted by Dama dama View Post
    Not sure what you are driving at here @mimms2
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    What I'm driving at, and it wasn't specifically at you or anyone else, is that you dont need a .375 SuperfuckemupUltraMag, to kill things. Precision beats horsepower every time.

    Again you mention the shoulder shot. To me, this should be erased from the vocabulary. The shoulder is not a vital organ. Hoping to "punch through" to the vitals is almost guesswork. Will the projectile get through? will it deflect? Will it fragment? Sure you can "hope" to "take out the front wheels" and the animal wont go far...

    Fuck that. Nothing, and I mean but nothing, survives after you take out the medula oblongata, or much longer if the heart.
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    @Micky Duck yup also had a possum bite me through a heavy leather glove. Couldn't believe hard it could bite. I expected to be missing a lump off my finger. I was supplying an outfit with live possums and had to get about 20 from leg-hold traps into juke sacks, what a fucken' act!
    One thing I learnt out of that exercise was how much more aggressive male possums were compared to females, not something you notice when simply whacking them on the noggin with a hammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mimms2 View Post
    What I'm driving at, and it wasn't specifically at you or anyone else, is that you dont need a .375 SuperfuckemupUltraMag, to kill things. Precision beats horsepower every time.

    Again you mention the shoulder shot. To me, this should be erased from the vocabulary. The shoulder is not a vital organ. Hoping to "punch through" to the vitals is almost guesswork. Will the projectile get through? will it deflect? Will it fragment? Sure you can "hope" to "take out the front wheels" and the animal wont go far...

    Fuck that. Nothing, and I mean but nothing, survives after you take out the medula oblongata, or much longer if the heart.
    I honestly cant believe you wrote that.........hunters have been specifically AVOIDING hitting the heart for generations....and the shoulder shot is the mainstay of many many wise folk as animal is anchored,the vital lungs and major blood vessels are hidden/protected behind/between them....punch through being almost guesswork is the dopeyist thing Ive read in ages....for many years folk have been told to picture a balloon/basketball between the legs inside the chest and aim to shoot through it,preferably breaking one of both legs at same time. if a fella is using enough gun,precision may be desireable but not necessary....a 8" vital area isnt that hard to hit from MOST angles....this reminds me of my time using the wee x39mm BHSR it was capable of better grouping if Id bothered to try but with 2" grouping with any ammo anyday...it was perfectly ethical killing machine for up to about 150 yards,thats still less than 4" or half the vital area needed to be hit.
    Ive killed enough deer with single shot to the chest to know it works very well...some of them were with .223 by careful projectile selection to ensure it would drivethrough and do the damage needed...I have headshot deer too,not often but have done it...only when I knew a 2nd shot was guaranteed if I stuffed it up. red yearlings both times that come to mind,one with 223 at hundyish,mate and son were both within similar range with rifles if I missed. 2nd one was in spotlight with .12ga........oops thats not a precision weapon...but at the right range it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimms2 View Post
    What I'm driving at, and it wasn't specifically at you or anyone else, is that you dont need a .375 SuperfuckemupUltraMag, to kill things. Precision beats horsepower every time.

    Again you mention the shoulder shot. To me, this should be erased from the vocabulary. The shoulder is not a vital organ. Hoping to "punch through" to the vitals is almost guesswork. Will the projectile get through? will it deflect? Will it fragment? Sure you can "hope" to "take out the front wheels" and the animal wont go far...

    Fuck that. Nothing, and I mean but nothing, survives after you take out the medula oblongata, or much longer if the heart.
    While Micky Duck and I have got a long way off track ourselves with discussion on possum bites, I think you have missed the point of the thread....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    I honestly cant believe you wrote that.........hunters have been specifically AVOIDING hitting the heart for generations....and the shoulder shot is the mainstay of many many wise folk as animal is anchored,the vital lungs and major blood vessels are hidden/protected behind/between them....punch through being almost guesswork is the dopeyist thing Ive read in ages....for many years folk have been told to picture a balloon/basketball between the legs inside the chest and aim to shoot through it,preferably breaking one of both legs at same time. if a fella is using enough gun,precision may be desireable but not necessary....a 8" vital area isnt that hard to hit from MOST angles....this reminds me of my time using the wee x39mm BHSR it was capable of better grouping if Id bothered to try but with 2" grouping with any ammo anyday...it was perfectly ethical killing machine for up to about 150 yards,thats still less than 4" or half the vital area needed to be hit.
    Ive killed enough deer with single shot to the chest to know it works very well...some of them were with .223 by careful projectile selection to ensure it would drivethrough and do the damage needed...I have headshot deer too,not often but have done it...only when I knew a 2nd shot was guaranteed if I stuffed it up. red yearlings both times that come to mind,one with 223 at hundyish,mate and son were both within similar range with rifles if I missed. 2nd one was in spotlight with .12ga........oops thats not a precision weapon...but at the right range it works.
    Yeah mate, I've always found there are a bunch of kinda vitals things behind the shoulder.
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    them there 180grn round nose slugs seem to be rather good at finding them too.....LMFAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    I honestly cant believe you wrote that.........hunters have been specifically AVOIDING hitting the heart for generations
    First I've heard of it.

    ....and the shoulder shot is the mainstay of many many
    Yep. And I've never agreed with it.

    lungs and major blood vessels are hidden/protected behind/between them...
    .punch through being almost guesswork is the dopeyist thing Ive read in ages....
    Glad I've given you giggles, but I've seen no less than half a dozen threads in the last month where people have said "wont reliably expand" "need XX velocity" "certain range" yada yada.
    IRRELEVANT
    FMJ will fuck your day up from a mile away if it hits you in the go-bits, and that's only drilling a 7mm hole in you. No need for mushrooming, tumbling, petalling wound channel.

    for many years folk have been told to picture a balloon/basketball between the legs inside the chest and aim to shoot through it,preferably breaking one of both legs at same time.
    Yep. And I've never agreed with it.

    if a fella is using enough gun,precision may be desireable but not necessary....
    To me it's the inverse. Precision is necessary, enough gun is the one you have.
    If it aint enough, or you aint precise enough: you need to get closer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dama dama View Post
    Yeah mate, I've always found there are a bunch of kinda vitals things behind the shoulder.
    Behind.

    Be. Hind.

    Why not just put the bullet in the squishy bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dama dama View Post
    While Micky Duck and I have got a long way off track ourselves with discussion on possum bites, I think you have missed the point of the thread....?
    Subsonic .270 for deer. Got it.

    The fuck it has to do with "varmint" bullets is beyond me, you bought that in.
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    I started typing a reply, but just don't care enough. @199p made most sensible post in this thread.
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    Yeah the varmint bullet idea can work, .218 Bee varmint bullets shot from a .22 Hornet makes an effective reliable expanding bullet for fallow and goats...
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    mimms2 you appearto favour head/atlas joint shots....so tell me do you prefer a stout projectile or a fast expanding /varmit type for this shot?????


    the heart is avoided by all BUT bowhunters (for obvious reasons) so it can still PUMP blood out of the holes you cause in the blood vessels,the ultimate isto hit major blood vessels in base of lungs,near heart WITHOUT HITTING IT so it pumps furiously and animal runs out of oil so to speak in matter of seconds....very similar to sticking a pig. if you heart shoot an animal without hitting leg bones to immobilise it (shot goes behind forelegs low down) the animal can carry on untill the blood in system runs out of oxigen...Ive seen heart shot hares go 50-75 yards on enough occasions to proove this one. never seen a shoulder shot one go anywhere.

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    Took the heart out of a hare once, chased the bastard through 5 paddocks on the four wheeler and lost it into the river. Well dead on it's paws but man did it go!

    I quite like the base of the skull/neck area, tear the jugular out and bleed the thing out. Drops instantly too, nothing runs or gets up from that and bleed meat is the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    mimms2 you appearto favour head/atlas joint shots....so tell me do you prefer a stout projectile or a fast expanding /varmit type for this shot?????


    the heart is avoided by all BUT bowhunters (for obvious reasons) so it can still PUMP blood out of the holes you cause in the blood vessels,the ultimate isto hit major blood vessels in base of lungs,near heart WITHOUT HITTING IT so it pumps furiously and animal runs out of oil so to speak in matter of seconds....very similar to sticking a pig. if you heart shoot an animal without hitting leg bones to immobilise it (shot goes behind forelegs low down) the animal can carry on untill the blood in system runs out of oxigen...Ive seen heart shot hares go 50-75 yards on enough occasions to proove this one. never seen a shoulder shot one go anywhere.
    No preference.
    I should have originally typed heart *and lungs*

    There was a good thread here about "hilar" shooting.
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    Greetings All,
    I have yet to see a better description of options for killing shots on deer than the chapters contained in "The Sharp Shooter". This was a book by Matt and Bruce Grant is the collected writings of both men previously published in Outdoor Mag. In my ever so slightly humble opinion these chapters should be required reading for all who carry a rifle into the New Zealand bush.
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    I try and avoid hitting the heart as it’s one of the best eating bit of the deer..
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