Thread: River to Ranges to sight in rifle?

Originally Posted by andyanimal31

There's a lot of talk about the assumption of different people shooting to different POI.
To be fair, yes on a scope with out parallax adjustment this will be a problem.
With correct adjustment on a scope with parallax you can take that variable out.
It then comes down to hold and trigger control and recoil management.
Most rifles can have upto a 1/2 moa change in their zero between shooting sessions hunting ect.
Most people can't shoot the difference to tell.
Pretty much rifles I set up I can get their owners out 800m hitting the gongs I can by working with them on the basics..
The one thing that amazes me is the amount of people shooting longer range with out a level of some sort on their rifle.
The talk of Duleys crew shooting other people's rifle I don't have an issue with as they all have adjustable parallax scopes and are almost always set up very well, by that I mean their data and shooting positions.
Only my opinion!

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You can't really argue with that

Just reading the long method above.
For hunting rifles I always set up eye relief in the standing position. Unless it's a lesser scope with large change in eye relief thru power change that will accomodate most shooting positions. And lets face it, for shooting out in the sticks, in some weird positions you'll never get a perfect eye relief at the 100yd range for all situations.
Don't know how someone else can do this on your behalf?

For my F Class (prone) rifles, I set up eye relief laying on the lounge floor looking out the ranch sliders.

I bore sight on an power pole insulator around 80 metre away and then add 1 minute.
I can get on to a a4 sized target at 100yd with first shot and in theory be zeroed in under 5 rounds. This relies of a rifle of good quality, I had a mate with a rifle that we bore sighted and it still missed the target. Went ahead and zeroed it but something was weird. Banana barrel?

I don't see anything wrong with a tyro or someone without access to longer rages getting it done commercially. And I know people offering this service are doing it for a living but I would expect to learn myself how to do this.

Also if the commercial zeroing involved very steady rests/bags (would hope so) the rifle owner still needs to finally check zero with his most common in the field position be it over the day pack or whatever.

Slightly off topic but with draconian new Government regulations now in place covering Rifle Ranges, many clubs will simply not have the right people to deal with/interpret the mind-numbing paperwork let alone the huge cost in annual fees and range and certification visits. Many rifle ranges will close in the near future and there are a number that have already closed especially on private land. Casual shooting on a range even on private land will become very difficult as there are all sorts of rules you have to comply with.

Originally Posted by 300wsm for life

This has ended up an interesting thread. I disagree a little to what has been said about different shooters using different rifles. This is only my personal experience, I have shot a few friends rifles and never noticed any difference. Even had a mate who couldn't shoot his own very well, asked if I could have a crack and put the bullet in the center. I have set a number of rifles up for friends and helped them sight in and never seen a point shift. A mate jumped behind in my 300wsm at the time. He hadnever shot it before. He shot a few goats at varying distances. I believe as long as the person knows how to set scope up properly then there won't be any difference. If the shooter is having issues then it will come down to technique, which of course can be rectified. Cheek pressure is the usual culprit.
Not every Gun specialist at those retail shops know what they are doing. It pays to ask lots of questions. Having seen these set up by Hunting and Fishing staff and Gun City staff I would never recommend them setting one up for you. River's to Rangers in Rangiora I would say would be a great option. I don't know the guy but have read his multitude of articles and heard good things about him and his store. I think this a cool option for those that are short on time and access.

I'm similar to be honest. I've shot heaps of mates guns and vice versa and had no issues actually shooting and hitting targets/animals with them. They aren't always set up 100% for me but that's because I'm left handed. Always good enough to shoot and hit a target.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

my mates rifle shoots 4" left and 2" high for me...strangely enough MY rifles shoot 4" right and 2" low for him.....he must be crosseyed I reckon LMFAO

The rifle I referred to carries a 3-12 FFP scope, FFP = no parallelax distortion so poor technique is soon identified and rectified ( unlike poor spelling). An FFP scope will soon enough show whos crosseyed

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

The rifle I referred to carries a 3-12 FFP scope, FFP = no parallelax distortion so poor technique is soon identified and rectified ( unlike poor spelling). An FFP scope will soon enough show whos crosseyed

Just a question, thet why do my ffp scopes have a parallax knob if it doesn't need it?

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Originally Posted by andyanimal31

Just a question, thet why do my ffp scopes have a parallax knob if it doesn't need it?

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Must be a 'gimmick for the gullible' I suppose ( sorry no offence couldn't resist) Perhaps it is just an image focus adjustment, which is really all the SFP side focus is

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Must be a 'gimmick for the gullible' I suppose ( sorry no offence couldn't resist) Perhaps it is just an image focus adjustment, which is really all the SFP side focus is

Probably should look up what parallax is.
Just checked one of mine and it definitely has parallax that I can adjust out.
Thought I was wrong once turned out I wasn't!

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Originally Posted by andyanimal31

Probably should look up what parallax is.
Just checked one of mine and it definitely has parallax that I can adjust out.
Thought I was wrong once turned out I wasn't!

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I was wrong, which of course has really surprised me. You are correct, parrallax happens with an FFP scope but moves the opposite way to SFP. I checked out 'Mark and Sam' for an explanation.

Originally Posted by Remutaka

Slightly off topic but with draconian new Government regulations now in place covering Rifle Ranges, many clubs will simply not have the right people to deal with/interpret the mind-numbing paperwork let alone the huge cost in annual fees and range and certification visits. Many rifle ranges will close in the near future and there are a number that have already closed especially on private land. Casual shooting on a range even on private land will become very difficult as there are all sorts of rules you have to comply with.

To a certain extent its like the health and safety law; fear fuelled through miss-understanding the law and uninformed debate. While the new range laws are tight and a bugger it is not quite as you explain it. Many Clubs have got themselves up to scratch and untold volunteers are making sure the ranges function as they need to. Thats why we should all support these organisations. Casual sighting in and practice places where the primary purpose is not as a shooting range are not affected.

On the actual topic, for years I sighted in my sons' rifles (still do some times) and they always seemed to do ok. As have thousands of Dads. Ive used other peoples guns and they have used mine. Always worked in my experience. We over fuss some of this stuff.

Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD

As mentioned above, I have no doubt James does a great job & for a novice having trouble getting a rifle shooting well its probably $100 well spent, but no rifle will shoot the same POI between 2 different shooters, unless both shooters somehow happen to shoot said rifle from the exact same shooting position/grip & both have identical facial structure to give the same cheek weld (twins maybe? )

I would question the validity of your sweeping claim about 2 shooters have the same POI - as my experience differs.

My son & I have shared a rifle, shooting FTR, on ranges at varying distances.
The one rifle, he shoots right handed, I shoot left handed on the same rifle - so we don't share the same shooting position.
Same bipod, same rear bag, different shooters.

I can shoot after him, just adjusting the shooting mat and hit the same place on the target (generally in the middle).
It saved me a couple of sighting shots.

We have differing eyesight, but the same rifle setup can & does work.

The problem with generalisations is that they are generally wrong.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

I would question the validity of your sweeping claim about 2 shooters have the same POI - as my experience differs.

Of course im only talking from my own personal experience, im a far cry from an expert so just my observations. I have no doubt it can work but theres alot of variables & the best solution is always going to be zero your rifle yourself, shooting from a position thats as close to how you plan to use it in the field.

Originally Posted by flock

The Biggest problem for a lot of shooters is no where to shoot decent distances, to calulate the ballistics properly.
That's what this is about.
NZHLA ChCh has a 200 yard setup. James has his own land, lucky him, probably 80% of shooters don't have that opportunity.

From what I understand, this person already has the rifle & scope sighted in at 100.
What he is after is a long distance verification of drop at extended ranges, bought ammo, most likely most hand loaders have a pretty good idea of what they are trying to achieve, even so long distance measurements are critical.
R to R is offering is to do this, and so provide all the maths needed to having a custom dial chart or custom made up.
Conclusion over all, it’s well worth the money

From what I understand, this person already has the rifle & scope sighted in at 100.
What he is after is a long distance verification of drop at extended ranges, bought ammo most likely. Most hand loaders have a pretty good idea of what they are trying to achieve, but even so long distance measurements are critical.
Rivers to Ranges is offering is to do this, and so provide all the maths needed to provide a custom dial chart or a custom turret info needed to have one made.
Conclusion over all, it’s well worth the money.