interesting observation
Shooting Skill: Snipers vs. Competition Shooters | Firearm User Network
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interesting observation
Shooting Skill: Snipers vs. Competition Shooters | Firearm User Network
And quite understandable I would think. El B a snipers intended target (note that I didn't say practise) is the human upper torso and that maintains the same physical dimension at 100 yards as it does at 1,000 yards so I would think snipers would spend much time shooting human shaped targets. Whereas from what I have seen, a competition shooter engages targets of various sizes and could be shooting at a 3 inch target at three hundred yards and a 10 inch target at 1,000 yards both of which are much smaller than the human form. In my opinion this alone would develop a higher aiming skill / capability in the competition shooter.
It's even more discrediting to the snipers when you factor in that they are typically shooting off bags, bipods or fixed rests of some description. Sure, the HP shooter gets a jacket, glove and sling but is still shooting off his/her elbows, no part of the rifle is supported by anything other than the shooters own body.
Yep, quite interesting. That said, the military trained snipers probably maintain their standard better under pressure, in a hurry, when someone else is shooting back...
As at least one of the comments below the article point out, its only comparing the actually shooting, not all the other aspects that go with sniper training.
This would be a good argument for opening up army ranges for public/competition use at least a few times a year. Be good free training for the people in service.
Do you think this will then dissuade the current obsession for tactical trinket based rifle necessities.
The next fashion may be benchrestical :ORLY:
bottom line is in the US target shooters spend more time shooting than the snipers . That said I have wittnessed a top FCLASS shooter lose to some that shoot farm ranges more than target flagged ranges .do it all or or you will lose to one that has! Tactical shit rules , pencil barrels haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
And it is called the service rifle nationals, held in Waiouru.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
Cool thanks will have a look in to that. Was thinking it would be nice to open up places like Army Bay range and the likes to the public occasionally. If they don't already.Quote:
Originally Posted by compound
Where can we find out more about this Compound?
You're in the perfect spot to join ASRA since we shoot at Duders during the summer. You'll get all to info you need about the SR Nationals and any other SR matches. Auckland Service Rifle AssnQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunt4life
Just join the taihape steer dorkers as we go up every now and again for some range days. So far shot out to 600 and the next shoot hopefully out to 1000 next time.the local club just had our club shoot on steel out to 890 with a good turn out and some great shootingSMSQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunt4life
yeah interesting. but lying in your own piss in the snow or bull ants biteing your goosh desert ...then some goose saying that target and comp shooters are better. cant compare the to. if you do your a dreamer.
Dead right. I still wouldn't fuck with a sniper.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6MMBR
its such a misconception about snipers being great shots -they better intelligence gatherers that can and do hang out in all sorts of shit situations if needed me thinks and very proficient shots .The way to become a better shot is to shoot all terrain -listen to others who may be better in different situations .I have shot a few contest and done ok but hit the big south island valleys and didnt -I need mountain practice calling wind !!!
ASRA or any of the other service rifle clubs will get you started. Needs lots of practice to be up in the top placings, as they say, practice more than everyone else for a better chance of beating them. I think the army team spent at least the whole week prior at the range and it showed in their scores.
Only a week.HAHA The Army team started end of march to go to the service shoot in ozzy mid june.
the two groups in question are worlds apart and I don't even know why they would be compared IMO.target shooter's are just that.snipers arnt just targets shooters the shooting part makes up only a 3rd of what there about.
10% Ive heard it said from a US sniper !Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
so whats the point of them being compared then?.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Keep your pants on solider:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
All the article said was they where similar in shooting ability.
Think they were just seeing how often the best of the best missed so they could build some type of self aiming dohickey and accidentally showed that competitive shooters were better shots than SnipersQuote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Doesn't really mean shit as both are experts in their chosen fields so there is really no competiton.
Be good to see a LR or HP guy belly crawl 2 km carrying their kit then take good shots haha
Ah just get sick of this sort of shit really.im over it now:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Forever green Neckshot. ONWARDQuote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
it was an interesting insight and that's all , it also uncloaks the often mis held belief of super shooting ability . Now as I mentioned before take a range shooter out of the range it "can" but not defiantly change their hit rate --add some pressure it surly would drop their hit rate more . All these factors recognized allow a shooter to practice differently to become a better shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
what exactly do you get sick of Neckshot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Snipers hunt men who are armed to the teeth and trained to kill, and are often dug in and hiding. Just like normal hunters, they only need to be accurate enough. Still, the long distance feats that we are all aware of in Iraq and Afghanistan demonstrate that they are expert marksmen in punishing environments. That is the clear distinction.
Guess its like comparing drone pilots to real fighter pilots.
Would be a pretty interesting piece of kit. Bet the boys wanting to develop it were a bit pissed when the results came out.
"So as you can see here from our test results sir, we could spend millions developing some new equipment then millions more deploying it. OR.... we could just train our shooters better"
These examples are very few and t those ranges they have no return fire pressure -bullets travel longer also with less air densityQuote:
Originally Posted by Dead is better
one thing i have learn't that some of the weapon systems snipers use with the ammo they are given ends up around 1 moa overall where as alot of the firearms sports shooters are using are rigs capable of 1/2 and better which is a consideration worth comparing.
when i ever start getting excited about my ability i have a good mate that will casually come along and make me realize i need more practice with skills i envy but will never get as not that keen in joining the army and becoming a moving target!
When the US snipers took three consecutive head shots within 5 seconds at 800y on those ''pirates'' off West Africa a couple of years ago, from one rocking boat to another rocking boat...well that restored all my faith in the ability of (some) the US's top snipers.
But as already said, the skill sets are completely different. I'd say both Target shooters and snipers are head and shoulders above the rest of the general shooting population in accuracy, but then snipers have to be battle fit and be able to lug all of their gear around the hills, something a lot of the target shooters I've observed would struggle with - in fact most of them are puffing just walking from their car to the shooting mound :)
I guess this comparison could be used with pro hunters or cullers etc... just because they hunt for a living doesn't automatically make them a good shot with a rifle. A lot of the guys I've worked with were pretty average shots with a rifle at best, but they were still very good hunters.
kj
I thought it was actually only 30 metres, not 800.Quote:
Originally Posted by kimjon
From wikipedia
U.S. Navy SEAL snipers, reportedly from the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Development Group,[25] on the Bainbridge's fantail opened fire and killed the three pirates remaining in the lifeboat with a simultaneous volley of three shots. The SEALs had arrived Friday afternoon after being parachuted into the water near the Halyburton, which later joined with the Bainbridge.[8] At the time, the Bainbridge had the lifeboat under tow, approximately 25 to 30 yards astern.[26]
Lol if you think this is relevant to anything or meaningful in any way
This. Are they tryna say Snipers are shit compared to civvie shooters or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
its meaningful Gimp as it creates debate and knowledge about different sides of the fence - others have a keen interest in many aspects of the shooting art .Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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Originally Posted by stug
Thats the big tip off there, DEVGRU aka Seal Team 6, if you go by how well trained they are- we are led to believe
the Barret springs to mind , often said to be a 1-2 moa gunQuote:
Originally Posted by andyanimal31
Wow pays to do your research eh. For some reason I recalled the distance as 800y - but it looks like I got that one completely wrong sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
kj
30yds, 800yds, close enough. Either is long range to a North Island bush hunter! :yaeh am not durnk: