Why so difficult/impossible to get 9mm carbine in NZ?

I love the idea of a 9mm carbine that takes glock mags, so that my handgun and rifle can use the same mags, but why is it so amazingly difficult to find?

nzar15 has a PSA 9mm Carbine, when I called Oct 2017 they told me they will be in stock Nov 2017, since then every month I call they say "just wait until next month" and now it will soon be June 2018 and still not in stock. Also the price is really high (in the US the PSA is considered a ultra-budget "few hundred bucks" AR, but NZar15's lowest price is 1800), which means that I can buy a very high quality rifle of other caliber for the same price that I can only get ultra-budget 9mm caliber. Also they can't even be bothered showing a picture how the A-stock will look.

GunCity has Just Right Carbine, but it's super heavy bull barrel, and can't be split in half. And so many youtube videos claim that it's unacceptably bad rifle (one major reviewer wasn't even able to review it because it jammed with any bullet brand he tried)

Importing seems to be nearly impossible due to the USA export registration fee + NZ GST + needing to be an expert in what to get, needing to understand e-cat import-procedure like expert etc

Oh and GunsNZ has some 9mm but they are like 4000 nzd Im not sure if I want to move into that kind of terretory of prices. also they seem to be pre-order/awaiting-police-review etc as well and with no pic of A-stock mod

So after a year of looking, should I just accept that this particular caliber just not gonna happen?

Another option ?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...49d960b4de96ee

If you want better than PSA, you will be paying even more. This is one of he trade offs of living in New Zealand.

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Originally Posted by Boaraxa

Another option ?
https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...49d960b4de96ee

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Not glock mags tho, which is kind of the main selling-point for 9mm carbine.

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Originally Posted by Beavis

If you want better than PSA, you will be paying even more. This is one of he trade offs of living in New Zealand.

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Well when I compare my other rifles to US prices, I seem to find that NZ is about 40-50% more expensive, which I find to be acceptable.
But these 9mm carbines seems to be like 300% more expensive which makes me think I might just have to give up on that dream.

Do you have a B Cat licence? If you do the Mechtech is another option, that is basically an upper for a glock. Chuck a 33 round glock mag in and have barrels of fun.

https://www.facebook.com/S-M-Arms-Li...6175940587464/

Keep an eye out for a QC10 or parts thereof. Eventually you end up with a complete working rifle

You can buy parts, I think gunsupplies has the GBC lower + 9mm barrel and bolts in stock.. The rest is just standard AR parts..

I tried one using the GBC lower the other day and it worked fine, I only had a quick blat but have seen it running without issue in the past using glock mags.

It is going to run you $1140 for just the stripped lower, barrel and bolt but you can get the whole thing finished for ~2k

get NZAR15 order in a rifle for you? they have a lot of kit available so if you ask and preorder it should be able to be done.

Tactical Imports | New Zealand's Supplier of Daniel Defense Rifles - AR-15, M4, DD M4's & Accessories

Couple more 9mm options here. Not cheep though.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunt...8166c5f88afb85
They come up for sale on this forum now & then as another option for you
That's where i got mine - a CMMG Mk9
Not Glock mag, but certainly runs OK and can whack steel out to 250m
Cheap ammo & good fun to shoot

I have a ruger pc9 for sale, doesnt take glock mags but the ruger mags of all sizes are just as easy to buy in NZ and are normally cheaper

Speaking of Ruger, when is that new Ruger 9mm carbine due to arrive here? Takes Glock mags and I imagine it would be around the $1500-$1700NZ mark.

Why not just build a MP5?

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Speaking of Ruger, when is that new Ruger 9mm carbine due to arrive here? Takes Glock mags and I imagine it would be around the $1500-$1700NZ mark.

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Just been approved by the police so around 2 mths away and roughly 1600.

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Originally Posted by Clint Ruin

Just been approved by the police so around 2 mths away and roughly 1600.

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Did you have to get it on the approved list if firearms? How hard was that?

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

Did you have to get it on the approved list if firearms? How hard was that?

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I am in a retail shop. The nz importers have put it through the approved import list process

Yes totally agree, 9mm's seem to be expensive, probably like most things due to lack of demand/volume . It's the specialised lower you need to take the glock mags as needs to be wider. Other parts are ok, fit 9mm barrel to normal upper and 9mm bolt.

I have PC9 Takedown carbines landing in a few weeks. They will include Glock conversion kits and a couple of 7 rd mags. Will have prices closer to landing time.

that doesn't sound easy to me at all, also not legal

There is this one
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Lis...?id=1694358507

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Originally Posted by jim160

There is this one
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Lis...?id=1694358507

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That looks familiar

people would not be disapointed with that

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Originally Posted by GregGregGreg

that doesn't sound easy to me at all, also not legal

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Please explain.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Please explain.

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+1, I cant even tell what he is refering to

Mp5's are full-auto and super-short, right? I guess you could legally do so if you had C category endoursement but even then you wouldn't be allowed to shoot it.

And as to not sounding easy, I wouldn't know where to begin in doing such a thing.

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Originally Posted by GregGregGreg

Mp5's are full-auto and super-short, right? I guess you could legally do so if you had C category endoursement but even then you wouldn't be allowed to shoot it.

And as to not sounding easy, I wouldn't know where to begin in doing such a thing.

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ohhh your refering to the mp5 comment, there are plenty of semi auto only on mp5's with long barrels being made that could could import, would not be cheep thought!

whats your budget?

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Originally Posted by res

ohhh your refering to the mp5 comment, there are plenty of semi auto only on mp5's with long barrels being made that could could import, would not be cheep thought!

whats your budget?

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Ah right, I didn't realize this forum doesn't qoute unless I click a specific button for that.

I'm undecided about budget

Those new Ruger carbines look like a good option if you don't have you heart set on an AR platform. Take-down like the take-down 10/22, and comes with inserts for both Glock and Ruger mags, their PC9 carbines are scarce but kinda have a cult following, I know a guy with two or three in different calibres and loves them, this reiteration/reintroduction of them looks promising

Just applied for an import permit for some of these. No need for a dedicated lower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwLduAP8-s

Yea I've seen this advertised also,would be keen to give it a whirl ... Let me know if you have any spare :)

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Originally Posted by Banana

Just applied for an import permit for some of these. No need for a dedicated lower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwLduAP8-s

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Originally Posted by Banana

Just applied for an import permit for some of these. No need for a dedicated lower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwLduAP8-s

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When you say some, does that include 4-5 for me? :)

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Originally Posted by Beaker

When you say some, does that include 4-5 for me? :)

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I wouldent mind a few as well if they work as advertised

Keen on a couple. Much more aesthetically pleasing than stumpy lowers with glock/colt mags.

Any ETA on those mag adapters?

This is the email reply I got from supplier/manufacturer ..


"Good Afternoon Sean,

We are having a lot of interest on this new product from New Zealand. As of right now we cannot ship this product to New Zealand. If you have access to company in the US that specializes in arms exportation we would be happy to work with them on your behalf to get you taken care off. Thanks for your interest in MEAN Arms.

Regards,

Tommy Lawson"


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Originally Posted by seano

This is the email reply I got from supplier/manufacturer ..


"Good Afternoon Sean,

We are having a lot of interest on this new product from New Zealand. As of right now we cannot ship this product to New Zealand. If you have access to company in the US that specializes in arms exportation we would be happy to work with them on your behalf to get you taken care off. Thanks for your interest in MEAN Arms.

Regards,

Tommy Lawson"


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@Banana did you have any luck importing those mag conversions ?

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Originally Posted by seano

@Banana did you have any luck importing those mag conversions ?

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MEAN Arms said to contact them late September about export. Still need a 9mm barrel and bolt, so I haven't been in a rush to get them.

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