Thread: Another Aramoana???

There are articles about rising crime rates Official crime stats reveal burglaries and crime rising | Stuff.co.nz
Personally I dont think you can read too much into it after incidents like the Manakau Police reclassifying burglaries as incidents etc to make their stats look better, they got caught, whos to say other districts havent been doing the same and have just decided not to do it anymore.....

Originally Posted by Tussock

I wish people would stop mentioning Stan Graham. NZ was a very new colony in 1941 and the West Coast was still the frontier. Arguably it got law in the 80s. Stan Graham tried to give himself him repeatedly and every time he walked into the open he was fired and then won the ensuing gun battle. It was war time and at one point they considered bombing the forest. He was facing people who held their manhood cheap for not being overseas.

I had a very interesting chat with a detective in 2000 after witnessing an unusual crime. He stayed and yarned for ages. Eveyone loves to hang out in student flats instead of the office. The uniformed officer probably told him how hot my flatmates were.

He stated burglery was an escalating crime. Every time a criminal enters someone elses property successfully they gain confidence. He told me it it was extremely important to follow them up early, as they initially only enter empty dwellings, then progress to occupied dwellings then can become violent.

I think this makes a lot of sense.

So if police are only solving 10% of property related crime which is believable as this detective was the last person I ever heard of following it up, then I think the whole gun whinge is a red herring.

Having cops guns is one thing. Having cops who want them to have more guns and citizens not to have guns is a power grab. Disturbing.

you dead bloody wrong about Stan Graham tussock-bloody pity you didnt look up accurate information.graham shot 3cpopsnd a school inspectorcops then went bush,when he came back to the house he committed his second ltof homicides on the home guardsman,afet he fucking opened fire first.it was here that a homeguardsamn who made it into grahmas house saw him outlined against a corner and inflicted the massive wound to his right shoulder. He calined when ambushed and shot (by const J D'arcy quirke) to be coming into surrenderdue to a grossly septic shoulder wounde ,but in fact all the b loody firearms he carried were loaded. one of my informants a hoki police constable at the time told me straight "stan wouldnt surrender ..his pride wouldnt let him!

Originally Posted by kotuku

you dead bloody wrong about Stan Graham tussock-bloody pity you didnt look up accurate information.graham shot 3cpopsnd a school inspectorcops then went bush,when he came back to the house he committed his second ltof homicides on the home guardsman,afet he fucking opened fire first.it was here that a homeguardsamn who made it into grahmas house saw him outlined against a corner and inflicted the massive wound to his right shoulder. He calined when ambushed and shot (by const J D'arcy quirke) to be coming into surrenderdue to a grossly septic shoulder wounde ,but in fact all the b loody firearms he carried were loaded. one of my informants a hoki police constable at the time told me straight "stan wouldnt surrender ..his pride wouldnt let him!

sorry for the fucking atrocious spelling folks-comes at typing in semi dark.BTW R93-was aware of the mixed feelings over the doco,and movie bad blood being made. every time i take a trip over there and drive past the hall and the paddock i feel cold shivers.

There is still bad blood in the valley over Stan and so, a lot of misinformation.
I have always been interested in the incident as it is my back yard,
My wife and many friends were in the movie and she is related to Stan. I was also in a team with Quirke's son while in the Army.

Family's that were effected all tell slightly different stories.
I drive past his old house site nearly everyday when home.
A picture of him and club members of the time still reside in my clay target club. It was a sad state of affairs no matter how you look at it.

IMO he dug his own grave and I am sure if licenced firearms owners acted the way he did prior to Best getting shot, today. They would/should lose their licence well before anything like that can escalate.



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Some of his bullet holes are still in the hall.

Married the cook in the church next door.


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Here's an article on One News Now I thought you might be interested in.

NZ in danger of another mass shooting following spate of attacks on police, says firearms expert
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...irearms-expert


Mac

Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA

Here's an article on One News Now I thought you might be interested in.

NZ in danger of another mass shooting following spate of attacks on police, says firearms expert
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...irearms-expert


Mac

If Gillespie was such an expert as proclaimed he would think thru his statements a bit better, sounds like a certain Mr Alpers in a different dress. If a firearm is registered does it stop it being used in a mass shooting?

Goddamn I love it that there is no politics on this Forum.

Originally Posted by jakewire

Goddamn I love it that there is no politics on this Forum.

Unfortunately politics and are sport are intertwined even though we don't want them to be.
Talking about what our sport faces and having a medium in which to do so is important.

Originally Posted by jakewire

Goddamn I love it that there is no politics on this Forum.

I hate to agree with the red-head but yes unfortunately firearms and politics are inseparable. Always will be.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

I hate to agree with the red-head but yes unfortunately firearms and politics are inseparable. Always will be.

I speak a lot of truth, just people like you are afraid to admit it.

Think about that for a second, or two.

Originally Posted by Jexla

I speak a lot of truth, just people like you are afraid to admit it.

Think about that for a second, or two.

You also have a propensity to speak about topics as though you are knowlageable on the topic when clearly you actually know very little. This is clearly shown over your last few posts where you continue to make incorrect assumptions.

If you don't know then ask questions rather than voice assumptions, I'm more than happy to answer questions in my very narrow area of expertise.

Originally Posted by Savage1

You also have a propensity to speak about topics as though you are knowlageable on the topic when clearly you actually know very little. This is clearly shown over your last few posts where you continue to make incorrect assumptions.

If you don't know then ask questions rather than voice assumptions, I'm more than happy to answer questions in my very narrow area of expertise.

Just block the fuckwit is my recommendation - works wonders I tell ya

Originally Posted by Savage1

You also have a propensity to speak about topics as though you are knowlageable on the topic when clearly you actually know very little. This is clearly shown over your last few posts where you continue to make incorrect assumptions.

If you don't know then ask questions rather than voice assumptions, I'm more than happy to answer questions in my very narrow area of expertise.

Broad "you are wrong/s".
I specifically said something was an assumption, meaning that it was likely wrong.
Defining something as an assumption is far from pretending to be knowledgeable*.
Clearly you don't make assumptions in your life span fullstop.

If someone is wrong about an assumption, which they define as an assumption, and you know otherwise, why not just say?
I put the assumption out for that purpose.

308, that's rather nasty isn't it?

Originally Posted by Jexla

I speak a lot of truth, just people like you are afraid to admit it.

Think about that for a second, or two.

but?! I just agreed.