Thread: Armed Police buying lunch

Originally Posted by Ground Control

I live in Australia for just over half the year so armed Police aren’t something I ever contemplate much now after 15 years , but I had a funny interaction a couple of years ago .
I was in a small remote town ( just bid enough for a McDonald’s which was brand new ) standing in the line waiting for my Cheeseburger meal .
Beside me was a couple of Detectives, a man and a woman, plain clothes apart from a a badge and a Glock on their belts .
Now I always carry a Syderco Delica knife clipped in my pocket , the law says I can as long as its work / occupation related which it is .
The woman Officer notices my knife and asks
“ is that a knife you’ve got there “
“ Yes “
“ Can I have a look at it “
“ No worries “
“ How long is the blade “
“ 3 Inches “
There is a long silence as she looks me up and down , taking in my work attire, the fact that my hands have dirt under under their nails and my 50 year old skin has seen more Sun than she will in her entire life .
Silently she hands it back without a word .
About 10 seconds goes past which is a long time in this scenario.
I think to myself “ F*#k it nothing Ventured nothing Won “

“ is that a Pistol you’ve got there “
“ Yes “
“ How long is the Barrel “
“ Ummmm I don’t actually know “
Just as I was about to speak the Male officer looked at me with a smile on his face and said “ Don’t ask if you can have a look at it “

We all laughed and understood we were just going about our day .
The Police aren’t the enemy, they are tasked with a thankless job that I’m glad I don’t have to do .

I agree, but the police bosses are a different breed than the cops you meet on the street. cahill is a classic example, cunning, not afraid to bullshit to get his way etc etc.

Originally Posted by 40mm

I agree, but the police bosses are a different breed than the cops you meet on the street. cahill is a classic example, cunning, not afraid to bullshit to get his way etc etc.

I can 100% agree with that mate. Totally different breed. And don’t get me wrong there are bad cops at the low level too with this same mad agenda but there’s also the bloody good blokes out there protecting the streets while we sleep. I just don’t want them to be thrown out with the bath water

Seems like a bit of a target... I have seen some fairly light weight female cops on police ten 7.... How long until she gets tackled and he gun taken off her.... Wouldn't happen if it was in the car in the lock box.

I would feel more at ease around our Police if they had more training. I'm sure they would too.

There seems to be a lot of animosity out there towards those that are just doing their job. Let's not confuse the average officer with those that are making policy from their crystal towers.

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

There seems to be a lot of animosity out there towards those that are just doing their job. Let's not confuse the average officer with those that are making policy from their crystal towers.

Ryan, you're not wrong. But, animosity is not necessarily misdirected. Reading Solzhenitsyn and other historians makes it very clear to those who wish to see, that everything the COL nomenklatura do now and will do to us normals they despise, is only possible because of the apparatchiks like Cahill, and the enforcers - принуждать - like these 'uns...

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/04/1...ot-surprising/



I make no secret of the fact I'll hand in my guns last day of September. Consequences for my family and myself dictate that, at this stage.

But I also know that neither the Thief-In-Chief Taxcinda nor Cahill nor Nash nor Collins nor Alpers etc, will invade my house at dawn and smash their way into my bedroom if I don't comply. It'll be their rank-and-file State minions, all the people who are "just doing (their) job"

I ain't Jesus. No way. Not by a loooooong chalk.

Originally Posted by sightpicture

Ryan, you're not wrong. But, animosity is not necessarily misdirected. Reading Solzhenitsyn and other historians makes it very clear to those who wish to see, that everything the COL nomenklatura do now and will do to us normals they despise, is only possible because of the apparatchiks like Cahill, and the enforcers - принуждать - like these 'uns...

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/04/1...ot-surprising/

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I make no secret of the fact I'll hand in my guns last day of September. Consequences for my family and myself dictate that, at this stage.

But I also know that neither the Thief-In-Chief Taxcinda nor Cahill nor Nash nor Collins nor Alpers etc, will invade my house at dawn and smash their way into my bedroom if I don't comply. It'll be their rank-and-file State minions, all the people who are "just doing (their) job"

I ain't Jesus. No way. Not by a loooooong chalk.

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As another guy who is aware of the saying "those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it", during the long slow fall of the Roman empire, which group were the last to get paid?

A hint for everyone else, it is not doctors and teachers.

Sejanus' union members. I mean, Cahill's... :-)

Good history, Tussock.

Quote Tussock...You can't defend yourself with a gun. You can defend yourself with a stick or a shield, but not a gun. A gun can only eliminate a threat.

Really?...the whole point of carrying a gun is to eliminate “the”threat,thus defending whatever needs to be defended....ie in my case the cockpit......talk about mincing words .......tell you what,Ill carry my gun,and you attack me with your stick...lets see who wins that little contest.....the term “splitting hairs”comes to mind

I should have been clearer. As @sightpicture said, now that New Zealand is West Africa, they have a role.

@A330driver you are on mate. I will take those odds. We stand the same distance apart as your cockpit, or a normal conversational range and if you can get your gun out before I have flogged you with the stick, I will concede defeat. I really don't need the stick.

You need that gun out. No use tied to your hip at close quarters. Most of police interaction is at close quarters. Like I said, do it the American way. Get it out, point it at Kiwi civilians, or don't carry it. Just accept the huge change in out culture, when you talk to police at gun point.

People will submit to the threat of a firearm. That is policing by coercion.

QuoteYou need that gun out. No use tied to your hip at close quarters.

We train for those very same scenarios ......I’m not going to get into the semantics of your opinion,your statement regarding not being able to defend yourself with a gun is a fallacy.Law enforcement ,security all types train for those situations,your statement makes a mockery of the reason to be armed.

Nothing personal,I’m in the business,I see it differently........I favour my odds

Originally Posted by A330driver

QuoteYou need that gun out. No use tied to your hip at close quarters.

We train for those very same scenarios ......I’m not going to get into the semantics of your opinion,your statement regarding not being able to defend yourself with a gun is a fallacy.Law enforcement ,security all types train for those situations,your statement makes a mockery of the reason to be armed.

Nothing personal,I’m in the business,I see it differently........I favour my odds

My intention was to mock people of being armed. I was not joking, as I have all the equipment.

I was flagged at the airport for explosives after leaving a mine site. Had to wait standing in a tiny cubicle till a Federal police officer of some sort came and signed me out. Holster on his right, he leans into the cubicle which is too small for both of us from the left side, then twists round and leans his weight with his left arm on the bench, writes with his right hand. I am 50cm from him.

Where was his gun? If he had just held it out to me I would have had less access to it, and he did that for every suspect, every time, because there was no other way to use the space.

I'm not saying you are not sharp. But if I tricked you? If I knew what I was doing as well, and I was a good actor?

You are being dishonest if you imply there is no risk each way from bringing a gun to every party.

I stand by my statement about defense. Defense is a word used by the political correct because "offense" is offensive. It is an offensive weapon. I'm not the one mincing words. It is an offensive weapon designed for blowing holes in things. You can go on the offensive and eliminate a threat. You can threaten. You can't defend yourself. You can defend a building or you can fight. Fighting is going on the offensive. A bullet proof vest is defensive. I can guard my head, this is defense, or I can hit with my elbow which is offense.

Try being a bouncer and see if the difference between offensive and defensive is not important. Be honest. Don't mince words for political correctness. I'm not the one who garbled the language.

Imagine if Police and Politicians were honest and admitted they had guns for offense

Originally Posted by A330driver

QuoteYou need that gun out. No use tied to your hip at close quarters.

We train for those very same scenarios ......I’m not going to get into the semantics of your opinion,your statement regarding not being able to defend yourself with a gun is a fallacy.Law enforcement ,security all types train for those situations,your statement makes a mockery of the reason to be armed.

Nothing personal,I’m in the business,I see it differently........I favour my odds

Hear,hear.

For a rational view of the police in the present context, I'd also suggest reading some John Hasnas ('The Myth of the Rule of Law'). For example:

“If a visitor from Mars were asked to identify the least effective method for securing individuals’ safety and property, he might well respond that it would be to select one group of people, give them guns, require all members of society to pay them regardless of the quality of service they render, and invest them with the discretion to employ resources and determine law enforcement priorities however they see fit subject only to the whims of their political paymasters."

Go ahead, change my mind...

Having observed first hand a series of safety breaches on a range where police were training the public may actually be at greater risk of getting shot now.