Page 2 of today’s Otago Daily Times.
The Gun Control nincompoops spouting off their ignorance and bias again with gens like “Hunters knew where to buy guns, the rest of New Zealand did not need guns advertised to them Ms Cook said”
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Page 2 of today’s Otago Daily Times.
The Gun Control nincompoops spouting off their ignorance and bias again with gens like “Hunters knew where to buy guns, the rest of New Zealand did not need guns advertised to them Ms Cook said”
well you tell Mrs Cook from me I do not need to see feminine hygene products advertised on TV when Im eating my dinner at night either but the broadcasting standards authority thinks its ok for them to be on at that time...I have done the official complaint thing.
If I was an Otago University academic I'd be embarrassed to be associated with the "work" of Hera Cook
Then you are no better than them.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Play them at their own game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Otherwise it's rules for thee, but not for me...
Yeah, I am a fan of fight as dirty as possible. Kick em in the imaginary nuts first and ask questions later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Nolan
Those bastards twist everything imaginable to get a dig at us, so give it to them twice as bad.
What a rubbish website. I tried to look up the article but no luck.
I say you must about 1.9 meters tall?Quote:
Originally Posted by 40mm
Ahhh Ms Cook... The proclaimed genius.
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She'll never leave University.
Well I no prude but when tucking into dinner having TV going I don't want fanny pads and green tailed mousy mousy on my mind.enough to put you off your lasagna.
Lasagna no probs but Spaghetti and meatballs, well thats another matterQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I am with you Micky, especially don’t like the gross wash ‘‘em and wring ‘‘em out ad. As to those two in the photo above, the need to take a leaf out of this old duck’s book.
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Without one of them evil guns Jed Clampert wouldn't have hit pay dirt.Who knows,maybe the whole West Texas Oil industry!
well then lets just use this stupid logic...... ban university advertising cos anyone who wants to go knows where they are. ban ads for KFC and other fast foods everyone knows where they are and they are responsible for more deaths than guns. could go on forever
in the words of the wise Forrest Gump "mamma says stupid is as stupid does"
its embarrassing that we pay these peoples salaries
No feminine hygene adds probably wont phase her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
She looks like the type that either dosen't use them or rolls her own.
I didn't think advertising firearms was all that common anyway. The only place I have seen firearms advertised is in firearms related magazines. I'm inclined to believe that the woman is jumping on the "anti-gun" bandwagon to claim her 5 minutes of fame. She'd be better off looking seriously at the issue of children and vaping. She is after all in the Division of Health Sciences at Otago.
thats an image thats going to take a while to forgetQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
The way this thread has gone disgusts me.
Whether or not guns should be advertised is a legitimate topic to debate. The rest of this thread is personalised and ugly bullshit.
I don’t think she’s casually jumped on the bandwagon because it’s another fashionable cause for the woke to be involved in. She’s a lot more invested than that, a rabid anti-firearms zealot and one of the founders of Gun Control NZQuote:
Originally Posted by Andygr
I'm with @Tahr as to the direction the thread has taken.
What concerns me about Ms Cook's plan is that the hunting publications rely almost entirely on advertising revenue to (barely) survive. She takes firearms advertising, and all the hunting magazines disappear overnight. Chipping away at every single touchstone of our lifestyle, they will not stop until we are them.
The fact that this individual is an extremist and has major influence on adolescents, her biased unchecked opinion is not only irresponsible - It's damn right dangerous. She has been majorly propped up artificially with people in power, that has a clear and concise agenda.
And a typical select few of you, wanna defend her over some light banter and play the righteous card. Screw that.
Fuck if Goebbels was alive today he'd be very pleased that the very group of society he wants to destroy, is defending him on a forum!
well the point I was TRYING TO MAKE....is like it or not,there are things advertised that we as individuals do not want to see...in my case it was because of the time they were being played that offended me...... and the broadcasting standards authority said it was perfectly fine for that to happen ...so my opinion/offendedness was disreguarded as not worthy of action...... which I believe is how this Vera womans opinion should be too.
The Otago Daily Times out of Dunedin regularly runs adds from Delta Mike and the local Gun City advertising legal firearms for sale and why shouldn't they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andygr
They used to run adds from H/F, still do but it's all clothing and camping in those ones.
Think Tahr is trying to say, argue the argument, not the person.
Arguing feminine products versus advertising firearms as context is one thing. Just try not to associate it with a person.
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that second photo needs to go under everything she does from not on out and never dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
does this sensitivity to feminine hygiene products thing corelate with living in the south island?
Iv only ever heard it down there, (chch when I lived there)
always the most delecate of flowers, that when questioned expected their partners/gf/wife to do special things with their mouth but there was absolutely no way they would return the favor. at all. ever. ect
maybe im just a degenerate but that just would get you laughed at up here, like a child who needs the crust cut off his sandwich
Inattentive drivers are responsible for killing people with cars - statistically more than firearms, by a long stretch. People steal cars and use them to commit crimes. Should we stop advertising them? Should we only allow 18 year olds to buy car magazines?
Cars are useful to people like Ms Cook - she has a legitimate use for them, ie getting to work, or to the shops, where she buys her soylent green, or whatever her groceries of choice are. I know my statements above will be ridiculed by her and her ilk, but only because of the utility, and therefore acceptability, of cars to those who would deprive us of any opportunity of interacting with firearms.
Feminine hygiene products - I don't see them killing anyone and can't see the connection to firearms - it does harm to our image to rabidly pursue an argument that is premised on revulsion at menstruation, to the extent that we would like to see all advertising of pads or tampons banned. An argument against something that is natural and ubiquitous to all women and has nothing to do with firearms makes licensed firearm owners look like a bunch of misogynistic hicks. We have enough trouble on our plates as far as public image goes without that stigma.
There is a wider point here
I think that the agenda which Ms Cook represents is seeking to marginalise firearms ownership as something abnormal or shameful like the way that cigarette advertising and alcohol advertising is banned
I think that they want to cut us off and set us apart so that they can paint FAL holders in a light which shows us as weirdo paranoid gun nuts
Some of the 2nd amendment US ranting style reactions plays right into their hands
Personal attacks also play into their hands
I fully support us publicly pointing out how much taxpayers money is being spent by Ms Cook and her associates for very little gain and I believe that this is a better strategy for getting the NZ public onside
Under Labour there is a lot of public money being thrown at consultants for LetsGetWgtnMoving/ Polytechs among plenty of other projects close to their tax-raising hearts
Anyone remember the hip-hop tour scandal?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/agency...4Q25PHWYRAWAE/
This sort of angle is going to win more hearts and minds than fussing over tampons
The NZ public are starting to become aware that Labour is pissing their tax dollars up against a wall for very little gain in an inflationary world, if we as FAL owners can ride that tide of pointing out government wastage then we have practically written their articles for them
On that note, the Firearms Register is going to be a HUGE waste of money, we should bang that drum more
I think that the mood of the nation is better shown by articles like Rebecca Stevenson's latest in interest.co
https://www.interest.co.nz/business/...ng-do-about-it
Many here may disagree with what she says but I think that she has her finger on the pulse more than others
It is REALLY easy for some lazy hack to quote an inflammatory personal attack esp on a woman and chuck us all in the bin for it
There's some strange shit going on in her head if you look at her publications...
https://www.otago.ac.nz/healthscienc...x.html?id=1362
@308 - Agree wholeheartedly with what you said. Cigarettes and alcohol cause harm, and that is why advertising them is now in the naughty corner. Firearms could easily follow suit. I agree we need to campaign against any attack by using rational, cost-benefit based arguments, and publicise the lack of value from anti-firearm expenditure.
We should support any efforts to reduce harm from firearms, such as Dr Karl Bridges investigations into the underlying causes of shooting fatalities in hunting. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karl-Bridges
We need to understand the power politics behind the scenes - I OIAd the underlying statistics around firearm deaths, and was rebuffed by the government agency that holds that information. I was then further stonewalled when I re-submitted the OIA with more clarification. That is but one example of what it is that we must understand to be able to effectively stand against zealots and fanatics who seek nothing less than a firearm free society.
Useful tactics may include:
determining the source of illegal firearms
examples of why a register cannot work
examples of the harm a register could cause
examples of incompetence by regulators
examples of inappropriate sentences where firearms have been held or used illegally
facts around firearms found at crime scenes - make, model and calibre, etc.
education of journalists, or offers to fact check media articles before they go to press
A single body that speaks for all shooters - regardless of whether they shoot F-class, 3-gun, trap and skeet, or hunt only, or target shoot only, or only collect firearms - is the single way we can achieve anything close to victory. Unity is strength.
I am pessimistic of our future. We lack unity, and this thread is a a harbinger of the defeat I foresee, because we cannot stand in agreement, we cannot argue our case rationally, and we constantly score own goals. Members are constantly laying into one another, making statements with a high cringe factor, arguing amongst ourselves where we should be agreeing, and generally behaving like children. This is often about subjects that aren't even obliquely related to firearms, hunting, or even the outdoors, and on occasion, even make us look like a textbook case for firearms control! A prime example is advice that flies in the face of legislation, which I have seen in more threads than I would like to.
I try to rise above the mud but admit I have been in it myself. If we could gain access a forum where our opponents spoke as freely and frankly as we do, without any regard for who is reading it, I am certain we would have all the ammunition (pun intended) that we need to sink them.
Im really regretting posting reply to this at all........ IN NO WAY was I trying to lower the tone or make a personal attack...purely pointing out that adds are not for everyone,and if one section of society has to put up with adds targeting another section of society...well that should be across the board.
1.9 meters long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Rabbit
Chloe has made all the headlines with her Alcohol Advertising ban and Hera has just jumped on the bandwagon chiefly promoted by ZB's Roman whatsisname.
Reading through all those titles has left me with a sense of satisfaction in Hera's ability to comment on firearms related issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawls
She clearly has devoted much time to the subject and has a plethora of experience.
Plethora? We don't need no stinking plethora!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 40mm
Ain’t plethoras some kind of dinosaur?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Nolan
All joking aside, it’s a sad day when the likes of Ms Cook get media coverage of her slanted and ignorant views and nobody has the right of rebuttal.
After looking through the list I wonder how these papers would be viewed if they were written by a male instead of a female. Even as a academic I'm sure he would be viewed as some sort of pervert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawls
I have to agree with posts above that state that all advertising has a targeted audience. Just because it doesn't relate to you doesn't mean it should be banned. Does she think all the gangsters in Auckland are reading hunting magazines to work out what firearm would be best for their next drive by.
Well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by tiroahunta
Maybe its also an expression of the most important conversation the west is having and I think desperately needs to have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
