Thread: Club Broken into, Rifles Stolen

Nothing is fool proof but for most people A better upgrade would be an alarm system. Than some crazy tricked out safe.

A as a deterrent. And B) to reduce the time willing to spend in the property..C) protects your other assets too.

Its risk vs reward.
Make the risk righer, the rewards harder to get and less attractive to even attempt.

CCTV isnt even that expensive now.
You can even get lots of 3rd party add ons that can read number plates. Recognise faces. Do motion detection and set up alerts. Even smart enough to detect a cat and only ping you when its a person or something else.

Originally Posted by No good names left

Did the inspector still give it a shake to make sure it's bolted down ?

He just smiled and said he had zero concerns about security

Originally Posted by Dan88

A good one is reinforcing mesh sandwiched between sheets of 18mm MDF, if they use a skilsaw, they'll have teeth flying at them and if they use a grinder they'll suffocate themselves on the smoke.
Also like the idea of free spinning steel rods, that'll slow anyone down. Hardest part to protect is the hinges.

reinforcing mesh will NOT stop a skilly in proficient hands, I have, on at least two occasions trimmed 5mm I beams with a skilly (although you need to finish the cut through the web with a sabre saw)
It sounds impossible but it isn't....plus you can also now get metal blades for skill saws....

Originally Posted by nor-west

This is what the Police in Western Australia are pushing for, 6mm thick safes. This will basically mean all current safes and those available to buy will not be up to the new specifications. It will be prohibitive to import one and illegal to build one.

The robustness of your storage is meaningless if criminals hold a weapon to your partner or child and say "Give us you gun safe keys" or "Open the safe."

When I renewed my firearms licence during the winter I had a discussion around security with my interviewer/vetter.

We agreed that gunsafes keep out the casual thief, the walk-in & grab what's lying about and skedaddle type of criminal.

The serious thief will either have the tools to break open your safe or weapons to threaten you or your loved ones.

This is why I oppose the registry which in criminal hands is a shopping list of weapons.

By the way the inspection of my safes consisted of opening them so he could feel the bolt heads.
He didn't check to see if there were bolts holding the safes down.
I could have just glued bolt heads the the safe walls and floor.

Originally Posted by Zedrex

reinforcing mesh will NOT stop a skilly in proficient hands, I have, on at least two occasions trimmed 5mm I beams with a skilly (although you need to finish the cut through the web with a sabre saw)
It sounds impossible but it isn't....plus you can also now get metal blades for skill saws....

Fibre cement sheet, burns the tips off the tungsten carbide blades through friction... Cheap to add a few sheets of that into the wall behind the mesh. The mesh is really there for chainsaws to be fair.

My brother is a loss adjuster in South Africa. He was assigned an insurance claim for a cash sorting facility that held 6 or 7 figures of cash on a good day. A gang of serious burglars managed to disable an alarm, and using a petrol-powered grinder, cut through a steel door, a steel security gate with 18mm bars, another gate, and were in the process of grinding their way through a strong room door that was basically a sandwich of 2x10mm toughened steel plates with a 200mm concrete and mesh core when they apparently ran out of discs or fuel for the grinder. According to my brother, the destruction was unreal, and the smell of grinding was still strong a couple of days after the fact when he got there. There is very little that will stop a truly determined thief!

A side note- turned out the alarm was disabled by an inside man, (always the weak point) giving the burglars the whole night to do their thing.

Way back, when battery grinders came on the scene I read somewhere that if your safe could survive, without entry, 2 cutoff disks and one backup battery it was deemed to have provided reasonable security.
I don't know what happened to that statement in recent times and wonder if it was a rough rule of thumb proposed at the time that either didn't catch on or was invalid.