Thread: Cops have two Glocks stolen in Gore.

the sad part guys is WE KNOW there are patched gang members out there with firearms,they have said so themselves.....they dont give a flying faaark obout the law so they wouldnt get a FAL even if they could..... someone lower down the gang ranks will steal, or purchase what they want off the black market....its not like they dont have enough dirty money to purchase what ever they want.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

the sad part guys is WE KNOW there are patched gang members out there with firearms,they have said so themselves.....they dont give a flying faaark obout the law so they wouldnt get a FAL even if they could..... someone lower down the gang ranks will steal, or purchase what they want off the black market....its not like they dont have enough dirty money to purchase what ever they want.

The gang members use their ‘molls’ who have a clean record to get their firearms licence - then ferry them around town to buy guns from various gun shops and off T/M.

I know of one cop who spotted one moll leaving a gang pad and recognised her from when she came into the cop shop with her licence application. He checked up and she had only just received the licence. - which was promptly revoked and the pad ‘visited’

@Savage1 and @Seventenths, just going on what Mike M told me in person, had a ten minute chat after a presentation he gave some time last year. Those were the reasons HE gave for NZP allowing associates licenses. You have to remember it was a hall full of LAFOs asking the questions, a lot to do with with being put through more and more hoops etc, while the crims skate through. Nothings changed since then though. The law abiding are on the receiving end, while gangs seem to operate with impunity in large areas around the country. I left that hall quite disliking Mike M, having entered with no preconceived attitude to the guy. He is a snake, another lying politician, but in a blue uniform.

The main associate I mentioned is well known to police, but this was in fact prior to 2015, so I am glad he has most likely had his license yanked. He was a fucking horrible prick. I do not doubt he still has firearms, but he will be less smug about it.

The anti police sector of the gun lobby are often intellectually dishonest when it comes to these facts.

Well, yes and no, it goes both ways. The vast vast majority of LAFOs are not anti police in the slightest, but some are sick to death of being demonised in the media by senior police as somehow being a problem, dangerous etc, which we certainly are not. This attitude has been present since well before March, and has been intensified afterwards. Turn on the radio, hear some asshat from PNHQ talking about "getting evil guns off the streets", when they aren't on the streets at all, they are locked up safe n sound by everyone I know personally - it's ridiculous thing to say in an official capacity. But the boot is being put in with alacrity, at every opportunity. This interspersed with that farce at Palmy nick, and the lost glocks etc (that was an operational thing, Palmy was not), and it's not surprising there is some shit talk by some vocal elements. The fact of the matter is people are quickly losing faith and confidence in the NZ Police, and it is not good for NZ at all.

Originally Posted by Tommy

@Savage1 and @Seventenths, just going on what Mike M told me in person, had a ten minute chat after a presentation he gave some time last year. Those were the reasons HE gave for NZP allowing associates licenses. You have to remember it was a hall full of LAFOs asking the questions, a lot to do with with being put through more and more hoops etc, while the crims skate through. Nothings changed since then though. The law abiding are on the receiving end, while gangs seem to operate with impunity in large areas around the country. I left that hall quite disliking Mike M, having entered with no preconceived attitude to the guy. He is a snake, another lying politician, but in a blue uniform.

I can completely relate to your view of the upper police hierarchy and I do understand where your coming from where people have the view gangs operate with complete impunity but alas there are always people in the background working on operations to net as many of those fuckers in one go and take away all their assets but unlike the gangs the police have laws to adhere to where evidence has to be obtained.

If the government were serious about "gun violence" then when the first tranche of new laws were introduced this year National asked for a "Firearms Prohibition" law to be introduced but Labour and the Greens weren't going to allow it... have to wonder why as it's such a useful tool and targets the right people... not firearm owners!

https://www.gotocourt.com.au/crimina...bition-orders/

For the second tranche of laws Labour proposed, National asked for the "Firearms Prohibition" to be introduced and again they were told... lets put it on the table and discuss it later this year which is basically saying... yeah, nah, not interested, not gonna happen!!!

Anyway... I for one would love to see the "Firearms Prohibition" introduced as I could see many police having a field day with those fuckers who got issued one!

Originally Posted by Seventenths

I can completely relate to your view of the upper police hierarchy and I do understand where your coming from where people have the view gangs operate with complete impunity but alas there are always people in the background working on operations to net as many of those fuckers in one go and take away all their assets but unlike the gangs the police have laws to adhere to where evidence has to be obtained.

If the government were serious about "gun violence" then when the first tranche of new laws were introduced this year National asked for a "Firearms Prohibition" law to be introduced but Labour and the Greens weren't going to allow it... have to wonder why as it's such a useful tool and targets the right people... not firearm owners!

https://www.gotocourt.com.au/crimina...bition-orders/

For the second tranche of laws Labour proposed, National asked for the "Firearms Prohibition" to be introduced and again they were told... lets put it on the table and discuss it later this year which is basically saying... yeah, nah, not interested, not gonna happen!!!

Anyway... I for one would love to see the "Firearms Prohibition" introduced as I could see many police having a field day with those fuckers who got issued one!

Exactly why it should never happen.

Originally Posted by sightpicture

Not a belief - it’s what your own police hierarchy are saying. But, by all means, prove them wrong.

The onus isn’t on me to prove anything or to go and consult anyone over your comment.

I’ve simply asked for you to backup your comment. It’s really simple... either you can or you can’t?

Typically you would prove a point by cutting & pasting from an article or other online document to support your claim as you like to do your research but I note you haven’t done anything on this occasion.

interesting read and it SEEMS to pull no punches about both the good and bad of how it works over the ditch....most common items found during search...included drugs,might be why the green party and thier pals dont want it to go into force here.
put some more ridged safeguards in place...to prevent copper with grudge being a miserable prick and really stuffing up someones life...eg guy who has shacked up with ex Mrs...and it COULD be a good thing....
Maybe make it only issueable with a judges approval so has similar safeguards as a warrent????

@ vietnamcam why?... don't people want the gangs and criminals targeted?

There would have to be a pretty good threshold to be issued an order in the first place!

Originally Posted by Seventenths

@ vietnamcam why?... don't people want the gangs and criminals targeted?

There would have to be a pretty good threshold to be issued an order in the first place!

if you re read your last line,that Vietnamcam has highlighted..... and changed wording slightly ...it might become clearer....
that COULD be abused badly by some gungho person with a grudge..... it appears we all agree on the safeguards being needed...

Fair call Micky... maybe I should have worded things a bit more PC however before an order would be issued I would expect one to be issued via the courts and not through Police unlike its done in Australia that way there is safeguards in place in order to prevent the liberals claiming abuse of power.

No doubt if such an order were to be implemented here in NZ there would be changes, safeguards, checks and balances put in place however lets no loose focus on who the orders are designed for which is persons who have a clear criminal record with a tendency towards violence mostly with firearms.

I could see it being a great tool for police to target gangs and thier associates if one has been ordered......MIGHT have been wiser choice of wording perhaps???

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

I could see it being a great tool for police to target gangs and thier associates if one has been ordered......MIGHT have been wiser choice of wording perhaps???

Yes, you don't want to set up police to be able to legally act like the biggest patched gang in the country.

Safeguards are there because they are necessary, because cops are people, and people are... well, people.