Thread: Could we do more

BS 7558 and BS3621, is the standard the rest is drivel, you also missed out the bits regarding cables/ bars etc which states you have to have a monitored alarm system and other high security options on doors and windows. Of course we could always encourage the NZ government to spend $000,000 on drawing up a standard as you suggest, as I wrote I never said follow UK legislation on firearms, just set a standard for gun safes, without spending my dollars to reinvent the wheel.
I agree that most safes are of the same quality here, but at the moment, as we are seeing with Ecat safes they are not approved, and people are having problems with getting them signed off, at present we are not selling E cat safes due to this problem

Originally Posted by Taff

BS 7558 and BS3621, is the standard the rest is drivel

Compliance with those British standards is not legally mandated in British law. It's only recommended that you comply with them. But the firearms officer ("vetting officer" as we call them here) may, at their discretion, accept anything. If they were mandated by law, then there would be sections in legislation stating that gunsafes "shall comply with [insert standards here]."

Standard BS 7558 relates to testing methods and "withstanding attack." And not to the construction or installation of gunsafes. By mandating that "all gunsafes must comply with BS 7558", you would require independent testing, to destruction, of every gunsafe you wished to use and every installation method.

Standard BS 3621 relates to security standards of locks.

The reality is that British firearms storage law is no different to New Zealand firearms storage law.

NOTE: New Zealand already has an equivalent to BS 7558. AS/NZS 3809: 1998.

you also missed out the bits regarding cables/ bars etc which states you have to have a monitored alarm system and other high security options on doors and windows.

Please cite the legislation which states that you "shall" or "must" have a monitored alarm system.

Originally Posted by Daggers_187

Compliance with those British standards is not legally mandated in British law. It's only recommended that you comply with them. But the firearms officer ("vetting officer" as we call them here) may, at their discretion, accept anything. If they were mandated by law, then there would be sections in legislation stating that gunsafes "shall comply with [insert standards here]."

Standard BS 7558 relates to testing methods and "withstanding attack." And not to the construction or installation of gunsafes. By mandating that "all gunsafes must comply with BS 7558", you would require independent testing, to destruction, of every gunsafe you wished to use and every installation method.

Standard BS 3621 relates to security standards of locks.

The reality is that British firearms storage law is no different to New Zealand firearms storage law.

NOTE: New Zealand already has an equivalent to BS 7558. AS/NZS 3809: 1998.



Please cite the legislation which states that you "shall" or "must" have a monitored alarm system.

You are now showing your lack of understanding of the judicial system and how guidelines work within it, the way the judicial system works is, that you must follow the guidelines or we will prosecute you using the guidelines as proof of your failure to show due diligence, this applies to H&S regulations as well, the firearms officer ( a police employee will not deviate from the guidelines )
As to all safes would have to be destroyed, another misunderstanding of the BS system , how do you intend to test all the buildings in NZ built to withstand earthquakes , create earthquakes ? How about your car, have you crashed it to see if the crumple zone comply so with NZ transport requirements, no as they only test a model during production testing and then apply those standards required to all models made, not sure if your on a wind up but this is fun.
Off Tmo to drive into all the bridges I can find to see if they are up to crash standards as set out by NZ transport, any volunteers. 😆

Originally Posted by Taff

You are now showing your lack of understanding of the judicial system and how guidelines work within it, the way the judicial system works is, that you must follow the guidelines or we will prosecute you using the guidelines as proof of your failure to show due diligence, this applies to H&S regulations as well, the firearms officer ( a police employee will not deviate from the guidelines )
As to all safes would have to be destroyed, another misunderstanding of the BS system , how do you intend to test all the buildings in NZ built to withstand earthquakes , create earthquakes ? How about your car, have you crashed it to see if the crumple zone comply so with NZ transport requirements, no as they only test a model during production testing and then apply those standards required to all models made, not sure if your on a wind up but this is fun.
Off Tmo to drive into all the bridges I can find to see if they are up to crash standards as set out by NZ transport, any volunteers. 😆

I write engineering performance specifications for a living.

You haven't read either of the British standards. If you had, you'd know that 7558 calls for submission of samples to be tested to destruction.