Thread: FA storage arrangements when FAL holder absent from property...

I've been looking for this information...and can't bloody find it.....man eyes no doubt
My question to the wisdom is.
If you're absent from your property overnight or for say 2-3 weeks....are you required to store your guns in another FAL holders safe or just leave them under lock and key at home?
I'm the only FAL holder, so......

Originally Posted by Zedrex

I've been looking for this information...and can't bloody find it.....man eyes no doubt
My question to the wisdom is.
If you're absent from your property overnight or for say 2-3 weeks....are you required to store your guns in another FAL holders safe or just leave them under lock and key at home?
I'm the only FAL holder, so......

Just got veted 2 days ago,you can be absent up to 30days at most.Or you gota register them in your good mates name with registry with his
address of coarse.Until you come back from your 35 day overseas holiday or what ever other reason for being absent from yr address and do the reverse when you get back.Actually there's nothing to stop you coming home on the 28-29th day,stay one night and leaving again,just record yr visit and stay.If that's practical.
DONT LEAVE THE KEY AT HOME.

There is nothing in the Arms act to say if you are away from your Residence that you are obliged to do anything more than keep your firearms under lock and key.
Giving/lending/storing them at another place for 30 days + , just kicks in the registery obligation .

Yes but that's not much of a Hassel,better than having yr place robbed from the 31st day.Cops on yr case,lose of fal,no insurance.Just a thort.

Originally Posted by Trout

Just got veted 2 days ago,you can be absent up to 30days at most.Or you gota register them in your good mates name with registry with his
address of coarse.Until you come back from your 35 day overseas holiday or what ever other reason for being absent from yr address and do the reverse when you get back.Actually there's nothing to stop you coming home on the 28-29th day,stay one night and leaving again,just record yr visit and stay.If that's practical.
DONT LEAVE THE KEY AT HOME.

Cheers, good to know, I have the least keys possible as even my day to day keys put themselves faaaaaaaaaaar away from where I think I put them!
Hence gun safe is double combination lock

Originally Posted by Trout

Just got veted 2 days ago,you can be absent up to 30days at most.Or you gota register them in your good mates name with registry with his
address of coarse.Until you come back from your 35 day overseas holiday or what ever other reason for being absent from yr address and do the reverse when you get back.Actually there's nothing to stop you coming home on the 28-29th day,stay one night and leaving again,just record yr visit and stay.If that's practical.
DONT LEAVE THE KEY AT HOME.

Apart from the obvious of not "leaving the keys at home", the above statement begs the question - "show me the rules".
It's all well and good that some vettor opined that you have to do something if/when you are going to be absent for 30 or more days, but why would you have to transfer to another "keeper"?. Presumably your storage has been deemed to be compliant - if so, and you are the only person, other than the vettor, who knows of your security and its contents, what is the problem? Is this a case of the vettor telling you something that is his interpretation/opinion, or is it legislated. "Show me the rules"!.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Apart from the obvious of not "leaving the keys at home", the above statement begs the question - "show me the rules".
It's all well and good that some vettor opined that you have to do something if/when you are going to be absent for 30 or more days, but why would you have to transfer to another "keeper"?. Presumably your storage has been deemed to be compliant - if so, and you are the only person, other than the vettor, who knows of your security and its contents, what is the problem? Is this a case of the vettor telling you something that is his interpretation/opinion, or is it legislated. "Show me the rules"!.

Indeed, what is the legislative device used to provide for the term 'you can be absent up to 30 days'?

Guys that's what the vetter told me,she does this job 4 days a week.Some new rules have just come in,best I can tell you.

I was away for 4 months, took both rifles with me. Meant I could still go hunting

Some new rules have just come in, best I can tell you.

And right there is the downfall of said FSA. What "New Rules", When did "New Rules" take effect ??? more likely the whim of the Vetter at a guess and here we go again.

Whim of the vetter,could be lols.I wasn't saying to much,only what she needed to know or ask.Just wanted the interview ro run smoothly.Guess we will have to wait to see the fine print in the new rules (if any)on the net or paper.

Originally Posted by Trout

Whim of the vetter,could be lols.I wasn't saying to much,only what she needed to know or ask.Just wanted the interview ro run smoothly.Guess we will have to wait to see the fine print in the new rules (if any)on the net or paper.

Probably not worth arguing with them on site, but make sure you follow the legislation when they leave.
In my submission I asked that FSA literature quote the relevant section(s) of the act to provide traceability and prevent policy being used to introduce laws. Doubt that will happen though.

Originally Posted by Zedrex

I've been looking for this information...and can't bloody find it.....man eyes no doubt
My question to the wisdom is.
If you're absent from your property overnight or for say 2-3 weeks....are you required to store your guns in another FAL holders safe or just leave them under lock and key at home?
I'm the only FAL holder, so......

Nothing changes legislatively because you go on holiday or are away from home for work. Your firearms are stored correctly at your home, that’s all the law expects.
There’s no need to overthink your responsibility as a licencee.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Apart from the obvious of not "leaving the keys at home"

Don't forget, we're not supposed to keep the gun and ammo safe keys together. I only learnt about that recently. It is written in the FSA guide, whether it's legislation or not I don't know. As to what we're supposed to do withe the ammo safe key, I still haven't received a satisfactory answer. I asked the FSA guy at renewal and he just said keep it separate and hidden.

I’m convinced the new transportation requirements only came about because enough licencees couldn’t use their own common sense stopping for a pie on their way home from the hill or the range. So a vocal few complained the law was too vague and the government obliged us all with extra security burden that solved a problem that didn’t really exist to begin with.