Thread: FAL Renewal Denied

Originally Posted by mucko

important to note that not all water ways have a queens chain, my mates farm is an example of one that does not have one, they get sick of people claiming queens chain rights, in saying that they have a way of communicating that sees unwanted quest depart rather quickly.

Yep, dead right, in fact the Queen's Chain is a myth. This document is a bit old now but explains it. Truth behind the Queen's Chain
Probably much more recent docs now with all the foreshore balihoo.

The other one is paper (unformed) roads and peoples’ mistaken view of rights around these. Paper roads are very well documented of recent.

Originally Posted by zimmer

Yep, dead right, in fact the Queen's Chain is a myth. This document is a bit old now but explains it. Truth behind the Queen's Chain
Probably much more recent docs now with all the foreshore balihoo.

The other one is paper (unformed) roads and peoples’ mistaken view of rights around these. Paper roads are very well documented of recent.

Hey @zimmer can you point me towards more info on unformed roads rights?
From what I've read public can access them just like any other road?


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Originally Posted by SlowElliot

Hey @zimmer can you point me towards more info on unformed roads rights?
From what I've read public can access them just like any other road?


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Yeah, I probably didn't word that bit about "mistaken view of right" quite right.

Here are a few links. The last one has mapping showing the locations. Some local councils also do a good job of mapping the ULRs in their areas.

Main issue when staring down and arguing with an irate farmer over your legal right to be on the road is the fact that you need to be certain you are truly on the road which in a lot of cases may be hard to determine.

If you Google Paper Roads you will see lots of stories where access is disputed by the adjoining landowners or councils themselves.

Also a lot of landowners probably prefer that local knowledge is kept quiet about the location of ULRs and in a lot of cases you would have to be sympathetic to them given the dicks that are around.

Unformed Legal Roads » Walking Access Commission
Paper Roads And Public Access | NWM
https://www.wams.org.nz/wams_tablet/index.html