Thread: Firearms security

Should be fine.

I know someone who dismantles bank vaults. Only problem is you will need a fork hoist to lift the panels

Ex ATM safe... 13mm plus 2 dials, and fairly cheap comparatively... Only issue with that is they are long, as opposed to high.. still, 13mm is 13mm!!

Another trick for the renters is a mount plate at the bottom - Thick steel plate same size as safe floor, sits underneath. Has 4+ welded lugs/12+mm steel rods that stick up from it through corresponding holes in safe floor.

A dozen or so holes in said plate mean you can tek screw the snot out of the plate to the floor and then place the safe on top of it. steel clips sideways through the lugs sticking up through the floor and a few holes drilled for tekscrews into the sides through the studs and you have a safe that feels solid enough for A-cat yet can be moved with a few patchable holes left in the floor.


The other thing is lock up all of your grinders and hacksaws too..

So how many of you guys go away for a week or more with all your family and have a garage full of grinders/gas cutters etc ? I know I do and it worries me at times. So I keep my bows and gun ammo in the gunsafe in our bedroom. The rifles however are stored in a hidden safe,on the principle if they cant find it they can cut it open .I don't even bother showing the arms officer the hidden one.

Originally Posted by Kapitishooter

Just wondering what kinds of type of storage you guys have? as I am going for licence soon

I was recently "Vetted" for my ten year 'A' Cat licence renewal. One of the forms that was sent to me from the "Southern District Firearms Licencing Manager/Officer" contained the following on "Firearms Security" Some of which you my be surprised!


Quote:

If you are: (A) Applying for a firearms licence for the first time, (B) renewing your firearms licence or (C) a current firearms licence holder, Police require that you have installed in your premises suitable firearms security whether or not you possess any firearms.


Security for firearms- A 'CAT"

By law the applicant must provide a minimum level of security in their place of residence, they must be able to secure the firearm legally if they had to, whether they own firearms or not, or chose to store their firearms elsewhere. If the applicant owns firearms but choses to store them elsewhere with another current licence holder for example, that is allowed however they still must have the required security in their own homes.


Racks:

Commercial racks must be able to withstand a weight test within reason. If the rack is lose or moves when tested then reinforcement to the rack is required.
The lock needs to be sturdy and substantial enough to withstand forcible removal, within reason.


A rack is a fixed object which is immobilized:

A commercial rack bolted to the wall

A rafter in a ceiling space is considered to be a rack as it is immobilized: A heavy duty chain and combination or key padlock wrapped around a rafter is an agreed minimum level of legal security.

A hot water cylinder is considered to be a rack as it is immobilized: Again a heavy duty chain and padlock wrapped around the hot water cylinder is an agreed minimum level of agreed security.

The same principal mentioned above would apply to a house pile.

Those above mentioned options are usually adopted by licence holders who have one or two firearms only.

Consideration needs to be given to the number of firearms and if the storage arrangement is sufficient and secure enough for the numbers held.

If firearms are stored within wardrobes or cupboards it is recommended that the firearms are the only items to be stored within, however if the space is duel purpose, a lock on a wardrobe or cupboard door is not sufficient on its own, the firearm should be additionally secured in either a cabinet or a rack within the area, with either option being bolted to the inside of the wardrobe or the cupboard.

All gun cabinets must be immobilized, either bolted to the floor or wall.

Security storage for firearms should be in a discreet area of the premises.

Ammunition, bolts, magazines and safety parts should be locked away separately from the firearms in another discreet location. One example being a tool box and pad lock, stored out of sight.

Some commercial gun cabinets have separate locked storage for the ammo and parts within the main gun cabinet, this is acceptable. Example there is a separate compartment within the cabinet requiring another key for access.

Endorsement holders must have the security and firearms where they reside.

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Welcome to the forum safeman. there will be significant demand for E cat safes coming up.

While renting, instead of bolting to the wall, try laying the cabinet flat on the floor in the corner of a room and tex screwed it into the floor through the carpet.

Comes time to move... after a quick brush of the carpet, can't see any holes. Done.

Most NZ rental houses it's such a mission to find a wall strong enough to take a safe anyway - but usually a nice strong hardwood floor under that carpet!

thats exactly what one of the cops at the sika show said to me

Practical and clever Grue.

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Things like this which make me want to upgrade security pronto. I'm seriously considering buying the most secure safe I can find, the one I have now aint cutting the mustard in my mind. If people can break into stores and steal them, there's nothing stopping them hitting residential areas with the right knowledge.

So far I store all my firearms in a decent enough safe tek screwed into the floor and wall with bolts stored separately in a lock box from the firearms. My ammunition is also stored in a lock up separate from both bolts and firearms. I don't think a 'decent enough' safe is going to do the trick. It's one of those guncity ones (the place that was burgled recently) with a stupid lock box inside it. I'm thinking of going with a heavy grade 'E cat' one in the shed lying down with as many giant tek screws as possible.

I also believe the best way to stop getting burgled is not telling ANYONE you have firearms or even a licence unless they are family or a mate WITH a licence. Bloody hell sound a bit paranoid here, I'd just hate to get burgled.

Originally Posted by Ahuroa SC

I also believe the best way to stop getting burgled is not telling ANYONE you have firearms or even a licence unless they are family or a mate WITH a licence. Bloody hell sound a bit paranoid here, I'd just hate to get burgled.

Agree, the less people that know the better.

Just shows how piss poor some stores security is, pisses me off that a store with pistols had them so easily accessible. I bet no B-Cat holder would have such poor security that would only take 2 minutes to overcome.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Just shows how piss poor some stores security is, pisses me off that a store with pistols had them so easily accessible. I bet no B-Cat holder would have such poor security that would only take 2 minutes to overcome.

Astounding it is, I think it's about time these stores start taking a look at their own security. Absolutely crazy. They think some chicken wire and some bars are gonna stop the most brazen determined criminals we have in NZ? Some of them are built like silverback gorillas.

That is a shocker. Two minutes for 33 firearms. Shocker really.