Just wondering what kinds of type of storage you guys have? as I am going for licence soon :thumbsup:
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Just wondering what kinds of type of storage you guys have? as I am going for licence soon :thumbsup:
For my A I have an old Roll front cabinet that locks at the bottom, hah it is ex the IRD! Great access
I have both a storage rack and safe set up. depending upon how many rifles you intend to have, a rack is a good and relatively inexpensive way to start out.
safe(s) - the REAL kind, rather be safe than sorry :D
i'd go for the best security you can get :
1) for my family's sake
2) for peace of mind
3) to avoid the crap that goes with stolen firearms
Yip I got a 5 gun safe for 280 delivered. Tried the modified cupboard and the AO laughed at me and told me to sort it.
Funny thing was the same AO approved my mates old pantry with a shit arse lock on it :wtfsmilie: maybe rural is not as strict (hardly f*&king think so)
We recently demo'ed my mates house and i gave his old pantry door a sneaky punch and was straight in within 1 minute.......
moral: spend some time or money preferrably both on something SAFE.
5 Gun Safe, Already getting the feeling i will need a second/ bigger safe......
As patronising as this may sound, get a big safe and bolt the mf to something solid, and get good security systems in place, because you don't want wankers to gain easy access to it. Because if they do, unless you're taking serious reasonable steps, it'll be your fault.
If you're thinking about storing your guns with the bolts still inside, don't bother locking the safe.
Ive asked this question at the sika show to the arms officers there, how do you provide security in a rental flat, that wont allow you to bolt a safe in etc or mount a rack?
Kilwell delux 10 gun ecat....only have a .308 bush pig in it hahah(for now),don't be cheap on security i reckon:-)
asking this for a mate
already stored at a secure location, told must have security onsite to comply, cant do bolt holes, tex screws etc if you do you lose your bond and possible blacklist as renter, does as ebf says make the fucker so heavy to move count? vs other non descript ways of securing?
Depends what you expect to do in the future. An 5 gun A cat safe is $350 ish and an E is $600~$1100 If you think you will be service rifle shooting then an E might suit you best straight off. I have an 5 A and Ive filled it so I need another. Probably its going to be an E because my space is limited and I might want an AR15/ak47 at some point.
If you think you might want an E talk to your AO about the engineering requirements for it....Im going to post a Q here in a mo on E safes.
Cheers guys, sorted out some security today. I Have a 'school locker' with two types locks on and secured to studs, a fireproof very thick pistol safe for ammo and a ammo tin for bolts etc. All in separate locations. How do you reckon it will fear?
Should be fine.
I agree with KScott - don't skimp on safety and security ... if you are young fella then I can understand starting with a cheap rack to get you going but please don't think that is safe and secure - its just legal that's all. I have a 10 gun which is bolted to everything I could find and one of those hotel type safes with all the bolts and I use a steel filing cabinet to store all my ammo in. I'm safe, the kids are safe, visitors are safe, everything is alarmed and a smelly old Rottweiler in the yard.
The best thing about a full gun safe is the Mrs can't see what's inside them. Mine is now overflowing and she has no idea.
I know someone who dismantles bank vaults. Only problem is you will need a fork hoist to lift the panels :(
Ex ATM safe... 13mm plus 2 dials, and fairly cheap comparatively... Only issue with that is they are long, as opposed to high.. still, 13mm is 13mm!!
Another trick for the renters is a mount plate at the bottom - Thick steel plate same size as safe floor, sits underneath. Has 4+ welded lugs/12+mm steel rods that stick up from it through corresponding holes in safe floor.
A dozen or so holes in said plate mean you can tek screw the snot out of the plate to the floor and then place the safe on top of it. steel clips sideways through the lugs sticking up through the floor and a few holes drilled for tekscrews into the sides through the studs and you have a safe that feels solid enough for A-cat yet can be moved with a few patchable holes left in the floor.
The other thing is lock up all of your grinders and hacksaws too..
So how many of you guys go away for a week or more with all your family and have a garage full of grinders/gas cutters etc ? I know I do and it worries me at times. So I keep my bows and gun ammo in the gunsafe in our bedroom. The rifles however are stored in a hidden safe,on the principle if they cant find it they can cut it open .I don't even bother showing the arms officer the hidden one.
Thanks for missing the point. If you CAN do it, you SHOULD do it.
If you CAN take the bolt out and store it securely somewhere else you SHOULD, because if a thief does break in, hopefully all you're handing them is a big stick. Unless it's a burglar who has spent more time scoping out your place than the GSCB has - after all, doesn't the security discussed here relate to an opportunistic burglar ? Rifles though storing the magazines securely elsewhere - ever tried to fire a semi rifle with no mag ? Shotguns are clearly a different matter unless you leave in a trigger lock or mag lock, but the point is if you want to hand over to a burglar a full, complete firearm that they just pick up and use then go for it - I don't, because I think it's a stupid option.
It has always confused me when I hear this from people,
How, if your A cat storage is designed to stop the opportunistic burglar, does storing your bolt separately stop them from finding a rifle with no bolt (after breaking in to a safe no less), and then finding your bolt? Burglars aren't as stupid as 'hunters', in general. I know where most people store their bolts (not locked).
that would mean:
a- If they managed to get into the safe they probably are not an opportunistic burglar so therefore your damned either way.
b- If they are stealing a rifle they don't have a licence, but a bolt requires no licence to buy? Sure, they cost a lot, but they are crims, they can afford it or just nick one.
c- you join the 50% (made up number) of people that have lost their bolt, because they store it separately, usually unlocked, and forgot where they put it either after a long hunt, or a house move.
I think its a ridiculous idea personally.
Also, I think burglars look for locks and safes before going through anything else, as it instantly says "steal me if you can!", so a hidden safe should be safer than a locked cupboard in general.
Bunnies next year?
Chris
I think that's a pretty irresponsible way of looking at it.
Not bothering to store the bolts separately because they might find them anyway? :wtfsmilie:
A- maybe they found your key hidden in a stupid place.
B- The order and sale of rifle bolts would be rather easy to track.
C- Sacrificing firearm security because you might be stupid and lose your bolt is not a valid reason, take more care.
D- It's not just burglars you're trying to keep away from your firearms, many children have killed themselves or siblings because they've gotten a hold of firearms.
As for burglars not being as stupid as most hunters, I'm guessing you haven't met many/any then.
I was recently "Vetted" for my ten year 'A' Cat licence renewal. One of the forms that was sent to me from the "Southern District Firearms Licencing Manager/Officer" contained the following on "Firearms Security" Some of which you my be surprised!
Quote:
If you are: (A) Applying for a firearms licence for the first time, (B) renewing your firearms licence or (C) a current firearms licence holder, Police require that you have installed in your premises suitable firearms security whether or not you possess any firearms.
Security for firearms- A 'CAT"
By law the applicant must provide a minimum level of security in their place of residence, they must be able to secure the firearm legally if they had to, whether they own firearms or not, or chose to store their firearms elsewhere. If the applicant owns firearms but choses to store them elsewhere with another current licence holder for example, that is allowed however they still must have the required security in their own homes.
Racks:
Commercial racks must be able to withstand a weight test within reason. If the rack is lose or moves when tested then reinforcement to the rack is required.
The lock needs to be sturdy and substantial enough to withstand forcible removal, within reason.
A rack is a fixed object which is immobilized:
A commercial rack bolted to the wall
A rafter in a ceiling space is considered to be a rack as it is immobilized: A heavy duty chain and combination or key padlock wrapped around a rafter is an agreed minimum level of legal security.
A hot water cylinder is considered to be a rack as it is immobilized: Again a heavy duty chain and padlock wrapped around the hot water cylinder is an agreed minimum level of agreed security.
The same principal mentioned above would apply to a house pile.
Those above mentioned options are usually adopted by licence holders who have one or two firearms only.
Consideration needs to be given to the number of firearms and if the storage arrangement is sufficient and secure enough for the numbers held.
If firearms are stored within wardrobes or cupboards it is recommended that the firearms are the only items to be stored within, however if the space is duel purpose, a lock on a wardrobe or cupboard door is not sufficient on its own, the firearm should be additionally secured in either a cabinet or a rack within the area, with either option being bolted to the inside of the wardrobe or the cupboard.
All gun cabinets must be immobilized, either bolted to the floor or wall.
Security storage for firearms should be in a discreet area of the premises.
Ammunition, bolts, magazines and safety parts should be locked away separately from the firearms in another discreet location. One example being a tool box and pad lock, stored out of sight.
Some commercial gun cabinets have separate locked storage for the ammo and parts within the main gun cabinet, this is acceptable. Example there is a separate compartment within the cabinet requiring another key for access.
Endorsement holders must have the security and firearms where they reside.
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Hi Everyone - I'm Jason , New to forums ect - but wanted to let people know about E - cat Gun Safes I will have for sale before Christmas. These are NZ made - not imported. Just having the certification paperwork done on them. These are to standard and certified.
External measure : 1500 h x 750 w x 450 d
These are very big and estimated 30 - 40 firearms held.
I am a manufacturer.
Will keep you all informed.
Thanks for your time.
Welcome to the forum safeman. there will be significant demand for E cat safes coming up.
While renting, instead of bolting to the wall, try laying the cabinet flat on the floor in the corner of a room and tex screwed it into the floor through the carpet.
Comes time to move... after a quick brush of the carpet, can't see any holes. Done.
Most NZ rental houses it's such a mission to find a wall strong enough to take a safe anyway - but usually a nice strong hardwood floor under that carpet!
Practical and clever Grue.
thats exactly what one of the cops at the sika show said to me
I've never kept my bolt or magazines in the lock up inside the safe - seemed a bit illogical to me :D - so mine have been locked up separately. But then I've never understood why some people would 'hide' a key to their safe anywhere on the property in the 1st place. 'Not sure if Mr Low IQ Burglar would want to go through the challenge of finding a new bolt for a firearm, so it looks like I'll agree to disagree.
My personal experiences in gunshops have been that when I've handed a firearm over for whatever reason I've needed to show my FAL to get my hands on it again.
Bunnies, yup hope to in 2014, but I'd probably do the same as this year - I'll wander the farm having a zen moment listening to music and blowing the buggars into small pieces while you guys can stay up all night :D