Thread: Gun shot fired in Gun City Car park

Fuck I'm pleased to see so many people on here that never fuck up. In fact it's fucking stunning to have such a perfect bunch of firearms users around.

Myself however am not one of them, cause I make mistakes and a know a lot of others that make them too, even with firearms. If the MAIN rule of firearm safety is followed there shouldn't be a death. There is only five basic rules, the last two were put in place by some cock smokers. Funnily enough I have seen several cops break one of those extra rules several times.

Yep the guy fucked up, yep he was fucking lucky no one was hurt. Pleased to see all the perfects around here have got him jailed for years even before they have heard any of the story. Now I will also assume these perfects around here have NEVER had a traffic ticket, or a car crash that was their fault, never had a hairy moment driving offroad with someone else in the vehicle. Because that would be dangerous and life threatening....

wire hunt-dunno whats got under your foreskinbut consider this -WTFvdidnt this bloke check that firearm when he picked it up ,before it was placed in the bloody vehicleand if above threads are as quoted wtf are you doing reaching over the back seat to grab the bloody thing?????oops maybe too tired to get out of car go to back door open it and carefully remove the firearm.as for your wee diatribe on mistakes -you sold yourself right down the drain stating ruleswere made by "cocksmokers!"
weve all made mistakes myself included but from those mistakes has come my absolute determination to minimise any chance i or a person under my supervision will repeat it.I owe that to my fellow firearms owners -after all it seems the idiocy of one(unlike fucking drinkdrivers)is freely used to tar all of us as uncouth incompetent fools.polisof course love this -overlooking the glaring fact they have never legally made an iota of difference to the road tollwith all their selct committees bluster and bullshit.

One of the great things about the rules is that you generally have to fuck up more than one to hurt someone. Yes people make mistakes but you need to make a number at the same time ie not treating the firearm as loaded, not pointing in a safe direction, Loading a firearm before being ready to fire etc...

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

One of the great things about the rules is that you generally have to fuck up more than one to hurt someone. Yes people make mistakes but you need to make a number at the same time ie not treating the firearm as loaded, not pointing in a safe direction, Loading a firearm before being ready to fire etc...

You are describing "Swiss cheese" accident avoidance.

Each one of the 7 firearms rules is a separate slice of Swiss cheese with holes. You now have 7 layers to protect you against accidents, but none of the layers are perfect by themselves, hence the holes. The more layers you remove... the greater the chance that somewhere a series of holes line up and let misfortune through.

It is true as someone above said that you can never be safe enough and that the seven rules are the bare minimum. Next time I'm at the gun shop, I'll get one of them orange nylon thingame markers to always stick in the chamber to flag an open unloaded action. That will be my personal 8th rule.

Originally Posted by Cordite

You are describing "Swiss cheese" accident avoidance.

Each one of the 7 firearms rules is a separate slice of Swiss cheese with holes. You now have 7 layers to protect you against accidents, but none of the layers are perfect by themselves, hence the holes. The more layers you remove... the greater the chance that somewhere a series of holes line up and let misfortune through.

It is true as someone above said that you can never be safe enough and that the seven rules are the bare minimum. Next time I'm at the gun shop, I'll get one of them orange nylon thingame markers to always stick in the chamber to flag an open unloaded action. That will be my personal 8th rule.

@Cordite

That's a very good explaination of James Reasons Swiss Cheese Model.

And yes your right Graham had to fuck up several times in a sequence of events in order for the rifle to discharge.

$300 fine is woefully inadequate, almost embarrassingly so.

Cheers
Pete

so how much would be ' enough ' for you guys ?

i have no idea

R.

Originally Posted by rossi.45

so how much would be ' enough ' for you guys ?

i have no idea

R.

@rossi.45

When you compare the seriousness of this event with say a fine for no registration on a car at $200 there seems to be something not quite right.

I'd have have thought this man would have also lost his licence, as to my mind he has proved he is no longer a "fit and proper person"by demonstrating a disregard for the basic firearms rules.

Cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by P38

$300 fine is woefully inadequate, almost embarrassingly so.

Still a much tougher punishment than a cop gets for leaving a loaded pistol in a public toilet though if you look at it that way...

Ok @kotuku, if their not cock smokers then why are they trying to bring in a law that is already in place and has been since the last round of law changes? What that also does is shows just how incompetent the people and the people feeding them information are. Ergo, cock smokers.
So we have people recommending to other people BUT the people doing the recommending don't even know the laws themselves. And they should, being the police.

Fixed that for you @300CALMAN ....at the same time ie not pointing in a safe direction, not treating the firearm as loaded, Loading a firearm before being ready to fire etc...

@Wirehunt-Im not going to indulge in some emotion laden conundrum-there is no point .Youhave your POV-that is your inaliable right to hold that.your expression of your POVdoes let you down .personally the last two of the seven rules make perfect commonsense-id have thought cocksmokers or no cocksmokers makes little difference IMO.

We did just fine before they decided to muddy the waters. They were unwritten rules. The cops can't keep up with the rules and laws now, why make it more unclear?

the cops are just servants of the incumbent governing body-that governing body in response to the malfeasant /ignorant chirpings of assorted entities indulges in the anti firearms lawmaking exercise.
For that matter if you feel so uptight contact the cops and remind them of justice jillian mallons verdict and comments in the free standing pistolgrip issue.

High population = more idiot's = more laws.

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Saw today they have a new sign on the door of their Auckland store "All firearms must be unloaded before entering these premises"

ffs at least the guy sounds like hes taken responsibility for his actions good on you for that part of it

a mate of mine once brought an old 30-30 winchester at a gun show (years ago) he was cycleing the action and dry fireing the rifle the rifle was checked clear but he didn’t see the follower wasn’t there after dry fireing 5 or 6 times a round that was stuck in the tube mag dislodged fed into the chamber and when he pulled the trigger the rifle discharged lucky he was pointing the rifle in a safe direction and the round didn’t go anywhere unsafe