Thread: Hunter admits accidentally shooting wife

Originally Posted by Sidney

And none of that has anything to do with the mans name and disproportionate effect for the individual.... how is the name of the man going to assist with any of that? I have a problem with the idea of making examples of people when their individual penalty exceeds the equitable outcome just to make a point. And so should you.

And you are relying on the media for accurate information.....? nothing they print is accurate... they don't get anything right... how and why is totally is totally unreliable from the media...

You are negligent every day.... occasionally you won't get away with that. But its not intentional. The way that some people on here go on about negligence and deterrent value of punative outcomes for negligence shows no knowledge of how the most basic function of our minds actually work. Saying that punative response to negligence creates deterrant is just bullshit. People think that its not going to happen to them.

In another area I was listening to the National Program this morning and the speaker was a researcher in education. He said that it comprehensively established that punishing teenagers for intentional crimes will only result in lifetime criminals... high percentage stuff. Taking those same kids, convicted but providing paid supervision and help with a focus on filling the gaps in their lives will result in a 75% non re-offending rate. The cost being say 50k in direct supervision and 30k in external support.... 80k for a few years vs 99k per year for ongoing jail time and the associated human trauma inflicted on society because of our desire to punish. But imagine that, paying people for criminal behaviour... far easier just to build youth prisons. How fricking intelligent are we by giving the stupid public its pound of flesh? You might as well just get us to shoot ourselves in the foot, it's that fricken stupid.

The public are stupid, the desire to punish is stupid and our politicians are gutless. And thats for intentional criminal behaviour.

You really don't want to be on the scale below even that, for unintentional negligence.

I want to like this again and again.

A lot of kiwis get quite emotive it when it comes to punishment and are a bit too narrow minded to understand the value of a corrections department actually CORRECTING and how that takes cash, but anyway....

Grab the pitch forks, surely that will teach 'em...


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