Officer acquitted after accidentally shooting man during AOS raid | Stuff.co.nz
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Not surprised you gotta remember the Police are "special (highly trained )people" not at all like us mere mortals.
God forbid a licensed firearms user did that in self defence they would be financially ruined among other things. More and more it seems "do as we say not as we do ......" and they wonder why their credibility is shattered with the public at large
"The jury heard from experts that it was most likely that the officer's Bushmaster rifle had been in safety mode, but was put into "fire" mode accidentally as the rifle brushed against the leather holster holding his Glock pistol, attached to his vest.
This probably occurred as the officer pushed the rifle to his side as he knelt on the man. The officer rose from the man, took a few steps back, then came forward again to help the man off the ground.
At some point one of the buckles on the officer's vest entered the trigger guard of the rifle, which was hanging from a harness over his shoulder, and when he crouched down to raise the man, the weight of the rifle forced the buckle to pull the trigger and the rifle fired."
Hahaha you've got to be kidding me, pull the other one - it's got bells on
"Krebs said the officer should never have been put in the position he was as he was not a fully qualified AOS member and had not completed his training"
What I can't work out is, they have the man in hand cuffs and he's not putting up a fight but you still walk around with a loaded gun relying on the safety :wtfsmilie: it sounds like they went out of their way to concoct a story as to why it went off. Sure shit happens but 4 little things all in one hit:ORLY:
Note a loaded rifle is not referred to. I really wonder if there is any organised training for this to occur
Haha, why am I not surprised.
Did anyone here go to the trial and hear all the evidence or are we just listening to what the media says. Because we all know how accurate they are with their information.'
Besides, jury trials require every member of the 12 person jury to say guilty, or 11 if there is a rogue jury member. So basically, if 2 people say the person is not guilty, then he is acquitted.
Good defence if I sadly shoot you in the bush huh? I'm gonna add a Glock holster and many more buckles to my tackle:thumbsup:
I am on the police side for this one.
Very few people in society will ever have to carry a firearm and required equipment for a job where they have to physically manipulate other people.
Training aside, I am really surprised it hasn't happened a lot more.
If every possible scenario could be anticipated......
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Makes you think if the Jury had any firearms knowledge before hand.
Not my call. I don't know the requirements to be in the AOS. Like the military suitable people operate in roles they might not nessasarily have done a course for.
If the incident described is true, a course with a wee certificate would not have prevented it. It could have potentially happened to anyone trained or not imo.
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They are doing a job they should be trained for and Workforce should be up em like anyone else. It's just a job their salaries tell you that, it's their choice, don't try to screw my head, some guys work in War situs for wages! Their choice!
I never mentioned stress.
Not the issue in this case at all imo.
I have my opinion and will stick to it.
The rest of you can carry on...
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If this isn't careless use of a firearm then what the fuck is?
He was not the guy for the job and his boss should take the rap
And how would Police do their job effectively by adhering to each one of the 7 rules? It's like asking a soldier not to load his rifle until he is ready to fire. Police have to abide by the same rules with some small exceptions.Quote:
Yep, one rule for them and one rule for everyone else!
That comment is so stupid, pointless and full of holes it doesn't warrant an answer.Quote:
Good defence if I sadly shoot you in the bush huh? I'm gonna add a Glock holster and many more buckles to my tackle
Policing isn't 'just a job', if it was then they aren't getting paid enough to be punched, kicked, spat on and then hung out to dry at the first opportunity by the organisation and members of the ignorant public that think that they know all. With attitudes like yours it's a wonder why they want to do their job at all.
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If this isn't careless use of a firearm then what the fuck is?
I believe the reason or 'excuse' was that the M4 got caught up in the officer equipment he was wearing. Nowhere did it say anything about an over excited or stressed officer. How often do the people on here have to wear AOS equipment and deal with violent mentally impaired violent people? Are you saying no one on here has ever shot somebody by accident?Quote:
Then what aspect of carrying a fire arm and restraining someone was it then, that could function as an excuse? I'm confident its reasonably hard to accidentally shoot someone. We have 5000 members, who carry fire arms frequently. How often do they accidentally shoot something?
But then again, what would I know, I've never been in any kind of situation like that. He's a cop so it must be a cover up and he must be guilty.
Oh the arm chair critics...
I think the only thing that will happen now is they are going to spend millions on designing new uniforms so it can't happen again..............and once they've done that they will spend millions on redesigning as the one they just done didn't work.
The solution is pretty simple. Don't give anyone an excuse to turn up at your doorstep with a gun. Cop. Gangsta. Jealous husband. YOU are the master of your own destiny. Really.
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I would say this would be what you are after...
Given some of the countries I have lived / worked in this is a very true statement indeed. Cops in Turkmenistan were more feared by the public than the local crims there. Same in Philippines and ditto Panama. Corrupt as all hell and looked after their own.Quote:
I have seen similar set ups in police states. The crims are nothing compared to the cops once they think they are soldiers.
Ditto Tussock well said, amazing how those involved close ranks and stick their heads in the sand! It's just a job people choose to do, it's as bad as being a care giver to me. Stop fucking trying to cover up. Open up an face the facts, it's a fuck up and him and his boss should be done! The situation was under control and still someone gets shot! It could have been a fellow cop or a person walking past. Why the protection?
Remind me what experience you have with policing in NZ, police training and dealing with the criminal element, because your comments seem to display a distinct lack.
Cops talk to armed people in a calm conversational manner, but it often doesn't work through no fault of the officers. Doorman don't get charged for putting bruises on people, most of the time it's justified, and when it's not that is when they get charged, much like a Police Officer. Cops don't get much more than $20 an hour either.
NZ is a safe country as a whole, and I'd like it to stay that way, but parts of it aren't safe, funnily enough Police spend most of their time in those areas, areas I'm guessing you don't go by choice.
Cops don't get trained that they are going "war on joe public", however they do get some training on how to lessen the risks to themselves.
Language ridiculous, how so? Guns ridiculous, how so? Should they get a Tikka or a 10/22? Costumes ridiculous, I'm guessing you're talking about the AOS 'costume'. Have you got a more practical way of carrying the necessary equipment along with body armour? Militarization or just practical and safe in a given situation?
I've seen and dealt with some corrupt Police forces overseas, luckily the NZ Police is a long way off of that.
What cover up?! The officer was charged by Police and the prosecution was handed on to the Crown then he was acquitted by a jury who were presented the available facts! Who closed ranks? Who conducted the cover up? What protection was offered to the officer? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I'd be fine with that, would have shot him myself:thumbsup: but it's very basic to have a loaded gun when the situ is under control. Hope he's not a weekend hunter!
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And no I'm not defending the Police officer in this action, sweeping generalisations do no-one any good.
Needing to have a firearm to do your job for safety ? No thanks.
Argentina too, when I was there cops earned around $100US and had to supply their own sidearm and most if not all Govt employeys were getting IOU slips instead of pay.
They were expected to be corrupt to earn a living. Little ol country boy me first time ever overseas had been in the country less than a hour and was being led running threw riots in the st where I saw a cop shot presumably dead and all I could think was dont loose that guy(the guy who picked me up from the airport)
Everything was done with bribes,company even allocated me bribe money(not enough)
Savage the protectionism and closed ranks is all over you. If any business, and policing is a business, it has to be open, totally open. The police are not there yet. I respect the fact you have a job that burns you, but you need to look through it and see it is not perfect.As I've said before I respect the police and the law, but there are times a wound has to be opened and cleaned out correctly for it to heal and consequences faced squarely. Leave excuses behind.