Thread: Insanity rules in the vetting process

But hes a rugby player different rules

I am going to take a wild guess here,I don't think the gentleman being discussed is a Ginger from Southland with a striking absence of Tattoos and a perchant for Caledonian history.

Honestly 15 convictions for AR,how many did he actually blagg without getting caught?

What a reformed bloke does if he gets a FAL. This is him.

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Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I think in this case, the guy is "now" one of our better citizens. If we all helped as many vulnerable people as he is now, we would live in a better place.

As a self professed member of the hang ‘em at dawn brigade, I find it surprising that in this particular instance I am in total agreement with you. Ordinarily I would be using the old adage that Leopards do not change their spots but this fellah seams to be a proven exception and because of that (and his demonstrably positive contribution to the good of society) I don’t see an issue with him being given a Firearms License. In considering my (to myself) unusual view on this matter I think it is the considerable change that has swayed me.

Originally Posted by Rushy

As a self professed member of the hang ‘em at dawn brigade, I find it surprising that in this particular instance I am in total agreement with you. Ordinarily I would be using the old adage that Leopards do not change their spots but this fellah seams to be a proven exception and because of that (and his demonstrably positive contribution to the good of society) I don’t see an issue with him being given a Firearms License. In considering my (to myself) unusual view on this matter I think it is the considerable change that has swayed me.

You, sir, have my deep respect. Not enough of us are prepared to move from entrenched positions even in the face of a clear reason to do so.

Originally Posted by Rushy

As a self professed member of the hang ‘em at dawn brigade, I find it surprising that in this particular instance I am in total agreement with you. Ordinarily I would be using the old adage that Leopards do not change their spots but this fellah seams to be a proven exception and because of that (and his demonstrably positive contribution to the good of society) I don’t see an issue with him being given a Firearms License. In considering my (to myself) unusual view on this matter I think it is the considerable change that has swayed me.

Firstly, I have been following this thread and holding a view but wasn't going to comment until I saw this, it has encouraged the below, in a good way.

I am not going to try and play down the tension between this persons past and their current status as a FAL holder, but what is worth considering is that there are essentially two systems to choose from, one very rigid 'if x then y' without any room for exceptions, and the other, is one with stipulations but with some room for judgement calls as well. There are good and bad with both, the bad of the rigid is that it works fine until someone comes along who is naughty on paper only, it could be in the vein of sober driving a drunk friends car home on a restricted licence at 10.02pm. A rigid system sees the difference between 9.58pm and 10.02pm as legal/illegal even though there is no material difference. A police officer with discretion might let a restricted driver off if they were turning into their street at 10.02pm. And that is the good of the system with room for exceptions, it can look at whether the law was broken on paper without breaking the intent of the law. It allows people to over ride the rules when they see a lack of commonsense in how the system might treat a specific case.
This is also the negative of the discretionary system, it opens the window to serious mistakes. But whatever system we operate under, we take the good and the bad. It is fair to say the subject of this thread is an edge case, one that calls into question whether the ability to deploy some discretion is a good thing. But before I call for anyones past to be aired as dirty laundry, I consider my own, and hope that if I had to choose between one type of system or another, that I would first consider some of my previous life choices.

Anyone commenting on this thread had a firearm shoved in their face and been robbed , this guy did it 15 times to some poor soul .

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Leopards and spots

Originally Posted by NRT

Anyone commenting on this thread had a firearm shoved in their face and been robbed , this guy did it 15 times to some poor soul .

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I do wonder what my views would be if I was one of his victims.
His actions now may prevent more victims in the future though.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Us5dHnonZ...qs5T92uJhWB1t8
Here's something you pitchfork guys might approve of.

We're not talking about a 15 year old caught up with the wrong crowd and caught for shoplifting a packet of lollies.
This is serious violent armed offending. Imagine if this scumbag was robbing your family at gun point?
Great that he appears to have turned his life around, but he made his bed and he should lie in it.
How on earth can it be fair for him to get a FAL while guys are having theirs revoked for speeding tickets?
Outrageous and makes a mockery of all of us.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

https://youtube.com/shorts/Us5dHnonZ...qs5T92uJhWB1t8
Here's something you pitchfork guys might approve of.

That's pretty much what their courts are dishing out for nasty social media posts these days

From my perspective this case, and cases where LFAO have been raided for social media posts, and others have lost their FAL for speeding tickets shows a considerable lack of proportionality from the authorities. Yes they guy has turned his life around. Great stuff. But considering what he did to become imprisoned for 6 years I have a hard time justifying him attaining the creme de la creme privilege of holding a FAL.

But the 'Justice system' across the Western world appears to be in some weird 'good is bad and bad is good' rabbit hole just at the moment.

What most people aren't aware of, was that he was sentenced to 8 and a bit years in jail for the 15 robberies, but was paroled after 4 years inside whereupon he was recalled to prison after being caught with a gun again, doing by his own admission, 'gang shit' and he still got out early (another 2 years).

People lose their license when they are not "fit and proper" and gain it when they are.
Has he done enough? In my book, yup.

If we strut around on our hind legs being self righteous about everything all it does is ruins our hamstrings

So with this line of thinking does tarrant get his fal back if hes a good boy?