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_WELCOME TO OUR FIRST FIREARMS PĀNUI_

Kia ora koutou

Ko Mike McIlraith toku ingoa, ko taku mahi Director Partnerships for Arms Safety and Control at Nga Pirihimana o Aotearoa, and I want to welcome you all to our first Firearms Pānui.
Our vision is that the possession and use of firearms in Aotearoa is the safest in the world; and our purpose is to effectively regulate the legitimate possession and use of firearms to keep all communities safe.
Over the past couple of years there have been legislation and regulation changes for our firearms community. There are still a number of changes coming up in the Firearms space so, we want to offer a communications channel where you can keep up to date with what’s happening and how
you can input.
This pānui will be your regular summary of information alongside sharing any key dates, useful links and information.
While I regularly spend time out in our community, I look forward to using this channel to engage with you on a regular basis.

Ngā mihi
Mike McIlraith
Director Partnerships
Arms Safety and Control

UPDATES
Online application forms

While we will continue to offer paper services we will soon be introducing on our website “MyFirearms” an online portal for applicants to apply for licences and some endorsements, or notify us of changes. This will allow applicants to complete online application forms, upload photos and documents and pay online. I look forward to sharing more details of what this will look like and how this will operate in my next update.

Guidance on security and transportation of firearms and ammunition There are updated regulations in place for the security and transportation of firearms and ammunition. For more information on what
your obligations are as a firearms licence holder check out our guidance document here [2] and watch any of the short guidance videos here [3].

My Firearms will be launched later this year. Would you like to manage and pay for your licensing and endorsements online? Or notify us of any changes?

We encourage you to share this information.

Registry
Over the last couple of months, we have been engaging with our Firearms Community Forums and Groups on the Firearms Registry which will be established and come into force on the 24 June 2023.
Public consultation is planned for the end of this month. A document will be released, seeking feedback on proposed regulations that will support the operation of the Registry. We would encourage you to provide your feedback on proposals. When the consultation dates have been confirmed we will notify you and provide you more information on how to provide feedback.

Registry service design
In parallel to the policy work been undertaken we are now four weeks into a nine-week service design programme for the registry. Service Design is all about understanding what the experience of the
people who would be using the registry could be; designing to drive adoption by making it as easy as possible to use and comply, while considering regulatory requirements.
This is an intensive programme of work involving many with external testing is being undertaken with members of the firearms community including dealers, importers, and a selection of different licence
holders to reflect ethnicity, age, location, and gender.
The outcome of this work will provide help us define the initial view of high-level requirements and solution design for what the registry platform and service can look like and help us deliver a people-centric solution in the future.

Clubs and Ranges update
As of 24 June 2022, shooting clubs and shooting ranges are now regulated by Police. This means that all existing clubs and ranges must apply for approval or certification by 24 June 2023.
Earlier this year Police completed a public consultation on the regulations for clubs and ranges. The final proposals are being considered by Cabinet for approval before the drafting of regulations.
The new regulations will likely come into force in early 2023.

Shooting club committees, shooting club members and Shooting Range Operators are encouraged to become familiar with the new Part 6 of the Arms Act (here) to help them prepare for the changes.
To assist clubs and ranges to understand how the changes may affect them and prepare for the final regulations, Police have released exposure drafts of the shooting range manual, forms, checklists and other information, which are now available on the Police website [5].
Police also ran a series of Shooting Range Inspector courses around the country, which members of the various shooting disciplines attended. These Police trained and recognised shooting range inspectors can help shooting range operators prepare applications in advance of the final regulations.
A dedicated Clubs and Ranges Team within Police has been stood up to process and manage application and compliance reviews for clubs and ranges.
To find out more, please see the clubs and ranges information page on the Police website. If you are a shooting range operator, contact a local shooting range inspector [6] who c an help explain the process and review your draft documentation.

Firearms Prohibition Orders Legislation Act 2022
The Firearms Prohibition Orders Bill received Royal assent on 15 August.
The Firearms Prohibition Orders Legislation Act 2022 is now on the legislation website. You can find the Act here [7].
Government prioritises firearm prohibition orders to reduce gun harm.

The passage of the Firearms Prohibition Order Legislation Bill happened on 9 August 2022.

The new law helps to reduce firearm-related crime by targeting possession, use, or carriage of firearms by people whose actions and behaviours demonstrate risk.

You can read more about this here:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...educe-gun-harm [8]

I have no respect or trust in Mr McIlraith.:(

Ignoring the words that I simply dont understand without googling each one - that has to be one of the harder reads I have had - maybe it is just me.

Got to this


While we will continue to offer paper services we will soon be introducing on our website “MyFirearms” an online portal for applicants to apply for licences and some endorsements, or notify us of changes. This will allow applicants to complete online application forms, upload photos and documents and pay online. I look forward to sharing more details of what this will look like and how this will operate in my next update.

Bravo for following every government department and trying to force people to do everything online.

There are more than a few LFAO I know that do not/can not use the internet. I for one refuse to engage with any government department via email (call me pig headed).

IF this is anything like the Traveller Declaration it will be a total fuck up - the online form didnt work - and takes 40 minutes to do - the paper verison was 2 minutes of quick writing.

Democracy/Bueaurcracy should be open for all - but the policy makers/civil servants seem to constantly underestimate the large numbers of people that are technically illeritate or they simply do not have access to the internet - witness the under-representation of certain groups in the census.

I can see the day when they will insist everything is online - so will we then see yet another sector of the population become criminialised just become some youngster in wellington and cant understand that not everyone has a computer.

PS - rant over - I am back to my little cess pool.

Theres only one "UM"!

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Originally Posted by muzza

apart from the fact that I wouldnt trust McIlwraith as far as I could throw him , anyone who sends me messages written in a language I dont read or speak gets ignored.

WTF does that first sentence say?

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Just making every thing very difficult, I heard the other day 45 pages for a renewal? Is that correct?

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Originally Posted by muzza

WTF does that first sentence say?

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"Hello, I am/my name is Mike McIlwraith. My job/work/role is Director Partnerships for Arms Safety and Control at New Zealand Police"

Or was that a rhetorical question?

45 pages was the referee form for a new licence or renewal. That has been ditched and the referee interview answers stands one it's stead. Common sense broke out for once.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Just making every thing very difficult, I heard the other day 45 pages for a renewal? Is that correct?

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Pretty much. Depends how big your imidiate family/number of people you live with/have access to your property as their details have to be listed including friends of your teenage kids if they regularly come round. Add on another 10 or so pages per endorsements.

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

I have no respect or trust in Mr McIlraith.:(

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What is more galling is that police officers do a 6 month phys`ed course at Porirua and then apparently are most truthful people in NZ and are the only people deemed proper persons to have firearms. That shows how bad NZ has got. Ask Mr McIlraith if the police officer who shot Iriheke Pere still have a firearms licence? Or did they reinvent the truth about the criticism of the IPCA or the stinging criticism from Justice Palmer in the High Court. The monkeys are really in control of the temple.

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Originally Posted by TeRei

What is more galling is that police officers do a 6 month phys`ed course at Porirua and then apparently are most truthful people in NZ and are the only people deemed proper persons to have firearms. That shows how bad NZ has got. Ask Mr McIlraith if the police officer who shot Iriheke Pere still have a firearms licence? Or did they reinvent the truth about the criticism of the IPCA or the stinging criticism from Justice Palmer in the High Court. The monkeys are really in control of the temple.

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Did he have a firearm licence in the first place? Most cops don’t.

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Originally Posted by muzza

nothing rhetorical involved mate - mixing languages in the same sentence is insulting to both languages. Either write the complete statement in one language or the other complete.

Whilst I fully support the right f Maori folk to speak their own language - it isnt my language and I dont speak it so any communication with myself needs to be in the universal language of the land .

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Well said! Aotearoa drives me nuts and puts me way off Māori language, I was keen to learn it once, but my throat is too saw from having it shoved down it.
Moves me away from my Māori heritage, which is sad.
All my grandkids learn it at school and all have Māori in their genes

There is an offer here to provide feedback on the "firearms registry"..I know, I know..but if we as LFAOs don't submit, it will be chucked back at us.

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Did he have a firearm licence in the first place? Most cops don’t.

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Firearms Legislation (and other legislation) specifically removes the need for NZ Police and NZDF uniformed employees to hold a firearms licence, 'when undertaking their lawful duties'.

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Originally Posted by Ranger 888

There is an offer here to provide feedback on the "firearms registry"..I know, I know..but if we as LFAOs don't submit, it will be chucked back at us.

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Not giving feedback is akin to not voting in the general election, then bitching about who got elected....

And if you do give feedback, you get to say I told you so!

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Originally Posted by Allgood

Not giving feedback is akin to not voting in the general election, then bitching about who got elected....

And if you do give feedback, you get to say I told you so!

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Exactly.
That's why I'm voting for Lisa Lewis to be Mayor. Then I can bitch and complain for the next 3 years! :XD:

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Originally Posted by muzza

nothing rhetorical involved mate - mixing languages in the same sentence is insulting to both languages. Either write the complete statement in one language or the other complete.

Whilst I fully support the right f Maori folk to speak their own language - it isnt my language and I dont speak it so any communication with myself needs to be in the universal language of the land .

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Totally agree, but this behaviour comes from the top down to all government agencies. Don't blame the messenger.

How/When/Where can we give feedback?
Especially on the registry. When the details are available I say we sticky the thread, and encourage as many members as possible to provide "feedback"

Gidday @NZShoota, You'll no doubt get a bit of stick on this thread - sort of a lightning rod I guess.

Feedback on the online licence application:
Fairly good with only a little ambiguity and inefficiency in places.
You have to be fairly determined to work through it all. So that's an inequity for people who don't live and breathe beaurospeak. Good to see theres still scope for paper applications and encouragement. 40 pages sounds worse than it really is. Most of the pages are for extra kids and others living at the same address and specially for holiday homes etc.

The new security requirements doc is good and I see you've taken on board concerns about uneven and idiosyncratic application. So far so good.

On the proposal for a register: I can tell you that will do no good, cost a truckload of money and make things less secure as it will inevitably be hacked or inadvertently exposed. I'd be interested to engage on that and hear how Police plan to address security concerns. I understand the department may have it dictated to them to try to do it.

In my opinion, the new rules in general weren't needed. They're being shunted into place as a knee jerk reaction to the Christchurch terrorist attack. If the legislation and correct firearms licensing procedures had been followed in that instance, the shooter would never have obtained an FL license. I suspect the correct licensing procedures weren't followed partly as a result of resourcing issues with firearms licensing. This problem with a lack of resourcing for firearms licensing has gotten worse in recent years. It would make more sense to direct adequate resourcing to firearms licensing. But this obviously hasn't happened.

This government will push it through regardless. And it's the type of legislation subsequent governments will be 'gunshy' about going back on.

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Originally Posted by TeRei

Ask Mr McIlraith if the police officer who shot Iriheke Pere still have a firearms licence?

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I believe that Police and Defence Force personnel are exempt from having to have a firearms license.

Be aware that the consultation/feedback will not affect whether the register goes ahead or not, it is already law that it is going ahead, and even the police can't change that.
The consultation is about the regulations to try and make it work. Any submissions against having a register will probably go straight in the rubbish bin.

Concerns over privacy and data security must be heard. Spelling out the consequences of data breaches should also be relevant.

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Originally Posted by muzza

WTF does that first sentence say?

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I am fairly sure that it is a greeting to a tow truck driver.

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Originally Posted by HG Man

I believe that Police and Defence Force personnel are exempt from having to have a firearms license.

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They don't need a licence when using their issued firearms for work, but they can't possess a firearm for their private use if they aren't licenced like you and me.

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Originally Posted by Bagheera

Gidday @NZShoota, You'll no doubt get a bit of stick on this thread - sort of a lightning rod I guess.

Feedback on the online licence application:
Fairly good with only a little ambiguity and inefficiency in places.
You have to be fairly determined to work through it all. So that's an inequity for people who don't live and breathe beaurospeak. Good to see theres still scope for paper applications and encouragement. 40 pages sounds worse than it really is. Most of the pages are for extra kids and others living at the same address and specially for holiday homes etc.

The new security requirements doc is good and I see you've taken on board concerns about uneven and idiosyncratic application. So far so good.

On the proposal for a register: I can tell you that will do no good, cost a truckload of money and make things less secure as it will inevitably be hacked or inadvertently exposed. I'd be interested to engage on that and hear how Police plan to address security concerns. I understand the department may have it dictated to them to try to do it.

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Just wanted to put this info out there as I guess a lot of members here on the forum are not members of associations that are represented at the FCAF meetings and as such would not realise how things are progressing. I'm just a sport shooter that gets occasional email updates from national associtions that I'm a affiliated to.

40 pages for licience form. Although some pages were not applicable for me. Going through the renewal process now.

@NZShoota so, you're not Mike MacIlraith himself ?

Definately not :P

I've received the forwarded email from both NRANZ and NZSRA. It was originally sent to JG who is on FCAF.

I got the same email from the Sporting Shooters Association on Friday.

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Originally Posted by Cigar

Be aware that the consultation/feedback will not affect whether the register goes ahead or not, it is already law that it is going ahead, and even the police can't change that.
The consultation is about the regulations to try and make it work. Any submissions against having a register will probably go straight in the rubbish bin.

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This is why I will never ever vote for Labour!:o

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Originally Posted by muzza

The Draft Legislation for these changes sat on a shelf in the storage area of the Beehive waiting for an opportune moment to see the light of day , for many many years . Realistically - does anyone think the current govt has the combined brain power to have dreamed this up in the time it took them to make it Law? I think not.
The fact that the event that was the catalyst was a failure by the Police to follow their own protocols was secondary to the huge political mileage that the govt was able to make by demonising a small and law-abiding section of the community.

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As was the case after the event in Dunblane, Scotland, and subsequent to Port Arthur, Tasmania.
Legislation waiting to be enacted at some opportune time.
The proponents of the NWO really don't want arms to be in the hands of "the peasantry". The only people permitted to bare arms will be the goon-squads of the tyrants.