Thread: NZ Police to lose responsibility for firearms

The NZ Police will no longer play any role in regulating and administering firearms in New Zealand.

"Transfer responsibility for the Arms Act 1983, policy and regulation to the Ministry of Justice,
and transfer the Firearms Safety Authority, administrator of the Act, to another department such as the
Department of Internal Affairs."

Ratified coalition agreement between ACT and National.

Well they lost any accountability about 4-5 years back, and probably a few before then.

Originally Posted by on2it

The NZ Police will no longer play any role in regulating and administering firearms in New Zealand.

"Transfer responsibility for the Arms Act 1983, policy and regulation to the Ministry of Justice,
and transfer the Firearms Safety Authority, administrator of the Act, to another department such as the
Department of Internal Affairs."

Ratified coalition agreement between ACT and National.

Greetings,
I think that there was a timeline on that of June 2024.
GPM.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/act...pdf?1700785567

None of these things are ratified agreements. There has only been an agreement to progress the policy priorities. There are no agreements to see any policies to completion. I have to say this because if any of these policies don’t come to fruition, there’s going to be a lot of butthurt people crying foul and blaming ACT for making promises and not keeping them.
I urge everyone to actually read the coalition agreement before saying ‘They will do this that or the other’.

Originally Posted by -BW-

None of these things are ratified agreements. There has only been an agreement to progress the policy priorities. There are no agreements to see any policies to completion. I have to say this because if any of these policies don’t come to fruition, there’s going to be a lot of butthurt people crying foul and blaming ACT for making promises and not keeping them.
I urge everyone to actually read the coalition agreement before saying ‘They will do this that or the other’.

And let’s not forget, the sleeze that actually runs government (special advisers and their ilk) haven’t been engaged yet and those are the fuckers, controlled by the WHO, UN and old Klaus, that call the shots.

Here’s hoping though, eh

Nothing will change. While this guys around, he wouldn’t like to lose face.

The vice president & I went to Rotorua to hear the NZ Police Mike McIlrath talk to the Rotorua NZDA. A lot of members are getting excited about the Firearms legislation being dropped after the new government being sworn in, this is not the case in the short term all legislation is being reviewed on its ability to keep the public safe, so this may take some time, in the meantime all legislation stands until we are advised otherwise.
On big thing that came up was the that over 1,00 guns have been stolen from licensed gun holders in the last 12 months, so his advice was from a security point of view is to have no gun related paraphernalia on any of your vehicles as crimes are following people back to their houses etc.
This can be things like NZDA, Sika stickers on the window or bumper. Or anything that gives you away as being a hunter. There is a misconception that the guns are being imported by the 501 gangs, but the data shows that most are from either stolen license holders or licensed holders being on behalf of criminals.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Nothing will change. While this guys around, he wouldn’t like to lose face.

The vice president & I went to Rotorua to hear the NZ Police Mike McIlrath talk to the Rotorua NZDA. A lot of members are getting excited about the Firearms legislation being dropped after the new government being sworn in, this is not the case in the short term all legislation is being reviewed on its ability to keep the public safe, so this may take some time, in the meantime all legislation stands until we are advised otherwise.
On big thing that came up was the that over 1,00 guns have been stolen from licensed gun holders in the last 12 months, so his advice was from a security point of view is to have no gun related paraphernalia on any of your vehicles as crimes are following people back to their houses etc.
This can be things like NZDA, Sika stickers on the window or bumper. Or anything that gives you away as being a hunter. There is a misconception that the guns are being imported by the 501 gangs, but the data shows that most are from either stolen license holders or licensed holders being on behalf of criminals.

I’d like to see the figures/info that supports the last bit of the above. (Re ‘stolen or bought on behalf of criminals’)

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

I’d like to see the figures/info that supports the last bit of the above. (Re ‘stolen or bought on behalf of criminals’)

He doesn’t have to provide figures, he’s like Carhill. They are driven to destroy firearm ownership

Originally Posted by Maca49

Nothing will change. While this guys around, he wouldn’t like to lose face.

The vice president & I went to Rotorua to hear the NZ Police Mike McIlrath talk to the Rotorua NZDA. A lot of members are getting excited about the Firearms legislation being dropped after the new government being sworn in, this is not the case in the short term all legislation is being reviewed on its ability to keep the public safe, so this may take some time, in the meantime all legislation stands until we are advised otherwise.
On big thing that came up was the that over 1,00 guns have been stolen from licensed gun holders in the last 12 months, so his advice was from a security point of view is to have no gun related paraphernalia on any of your vehicles as crimes are following people back to their houses etc.
This can be things like NZDA, Sika stickers on the window or bumper. Or anything that gives you away as being a hunter. There is a misconception that the guns are being imported by the 501 gangs, but the data shows that most are from either stolen license holders or licensed holders being on behalf of criminals.

And you believed him?

McIlraith could tell me that the sky is blue and I'd go outside to check

Originally Posted by Maca49

Nothing will change. While this guys around, he wouldn’t like to lose face.

The vice president & I went to Rotorua to hear the NZ Police Mike McIlrath talk to the Rotorua NZDA. A lot of members are getting excited about the Firearms legislation being dropped after the new government being sworn in, this is not the case in the short term all legislation is being reviewed on its ability to keep the public safe, so this may take some time, in the meantime all legislation stands until we are advised otherwise.
On big thing that came up was the that over 1,00 guns have been stolen from licensed gun holders in the last 12 months, so his advice was from a security point of view is to have no gun related paraphernalia on any of your vehicles as crimes are following people back to their houses etc.
This can be things like NZDA, Sika stickers on the window or bumper. Or anything that gives you away as being a hunter. There is a misconception that the guns are being imported by the 501 gangs, but the data shows that most are from either stolen license holders or licensed holders being on behalf of criminals.

Regarding this ^. It's a good idea when you suspect someone is following you for a little too long to not drive directly to your home. In the past I actually have driven past my house and around the block when I thought someone might be following me. It might seem over the top but a bit of peace of mind.

A military background probably has a bit to do with it lol.

Originally Posted by Allizdog

Regarding this ^. It's a good idea when you suspect someone is following you for a little too long to not drive directly to your home. In the past I actually have driven past my house and around the block when I thought someone might be following me. It might seem over the top but a bit of peace of mind.

A military background probably has a bit to do with it lol.

Never really thought about this from a firearms perspective but it’s something I am very conscious of when transporting my dirtbike. Very common for them to be followed to see where they are being stored. If anyone follows me off the main road down to my street when I have my bike on the back then I don’t turn into my property and pull over in a service station down the road. Have only done it once, whether it was necessary or not who knows but it definitely pays to have some situational awareness.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Nothing will change. While this guys around, he wouldn’t like to lose face.

The vice president & I went to Rotorua to hear the NZ Police Mike McIlrath talk to the Rotorua NZDA. A lot of members are getting excited about the Firearms legislation being dropped after the new government being sworn in, this is not the case in the short term all legislation is being reviewed on its ability to keep the public safe, so this may take some time, in the meantime all legislation stands until we are advised otherwise.
On big thing that came up was the that over 1,00 guns have been stolen from licensed gun holders in the last 12 months, so his advice was from a security point of view is to have no gun related paraphernalia on any of your vehicles as crimes are following people back to their houses etc.
This can be things like NZDA, Sika stickers on the window or bumper. Or anything that gives you away as being a hunter. There is a misconception that the guns are being imported by the 501 gangs, but the data shows that most are from either stolen license holders or licensed holders being on behalf of criminals.

You obviously haven't read the Colfo OIA requests, the police don't track that information so if they are saying the data shows that then the data they are referring to doesn't exist and it is just lies.

Originally Posted by 19Badger

You obviously haven't read the Colfo OIA requests, the police don't track that information so if they are saying the data shows that then the data they are referring to doesn't exist and it is just lies.

Correct in that the Colfo OIA requests show that as a single point data search there isn't any consistency in how the data is recorded to allow solid data but in terms of the info they are recording for stolen firearms, the data they are recording is going to show that ALL of them are going to be stolen from firearms license holders. Obviously, if you aren't a license holder you aren't going to report that your guns got flogged are you. What the data doesn't show is what they aren't finding, and that data is Customs and border agencies as well as Police so a bit of a dodge regarding using the data to show a point of view most likely.