Thread: Police association reaction to submissions

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it's that liar again, the one who lied about not needing a license to buy ammo, 0 integrity.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

it's that liar again, the one who lied about not needing a license to buy ammo, 0 integrity.

Yep. Total tugboat.

I left mine till it was almost too late. I would imagine there are a lot that believe nothing would make a difference and I tend to agree.
My opinionon public consultation is that it makes it look like you will listen, keep most people quiet thinking they have a say and they do what they want anyway. As for cost, whilst my pocket wouldn't like it I will admit if it was raised to 400 nicker or a little more I could understand. The rest of the cost recovery exercise was blatant robbery.
We are tax payers too so already paying for some of it anyway.
Just another way to drive people from the sport

Two Points. Firstly, Where is the Independent Authority Firearms Owners were promised. Secondly, Police are not a User-Pays Organisation. The key words for Why Police screamed blue murder over an Independent Authority is going from Administrators Of to Regulators Of. Anything they want will be passed by Order In Council and with $200 Million+ to play with, and that will increase, Mike McIlraith is Empire Building and like before those monies will be diverted which is why NZ Police will present no background as to how the new Fees were arrived at. As for rolling out Cahill, he is the pet attack dog for PNHQ, nothing more but gun owners know this. My and your Taxes have already paid for the NZ Police. The End.

I made a submission and in doing so gave them a serve but all the while expected my words to be completely ignored. The outcome of the consultation will be what the Police want it to be and nothing we do or say will change that outcome. That said, I for one will never give them the satisfaction of relinquishing my chosen sport because of their efforts to make me do so.

I for one would like to see that the costs are broken down for all to see if they are going to hike the price of a licence.

That only seems fair to see where the money is going.

In reality I highly doubt it's going to cost $700 plus dollars. Remember its a Govt Dept. They do not pay well for non sworn staff to do anything.
($700 / $30 phr is 23.3 hrs of labour.)

I would like to see the interviewers who come to your house well paid. That is the only way that an interviewer of any quality will consider doing the job. Paying peanuts and employing retirees' is not the answer.

Astute, intelligent, experienced interviewers with behavioural science skills is what are required. If this had been done years ago certain events could possibly have been avoided before they even started.

Thats my 2 cents anyway. Sometimes to save money you have to spend money in the right places.

Originally Posted by tac a1

I for one would like to see that the costs are broken down for all to see if they are going to hike the price of a licence.

That only seems fair to see where the money is going.

In reality I highly doubt it's going to cost $700 plus dollars. Remember its a Govt Dept. They do not pay well for non sworn staff to do anything.
($700 / $30 phr is 23.3 hrs of labour.)

I would like to see the interviewers who come to your house well paid. That is the only way that an interviewer of any quality will consider doing the job. Paying peanuts and employing retirees' is not the answer.

Astute, intelligent, experienced interviewers with behavioural science skills is what are required. If this had been done years ago certain events could possibly have been avoided before they even started.

Thats my 2 cents anyway. Sometimes to save money you have to spend money in the right places.

I replied and submitted .Told them nowwt but a bunch of price gougers whod make dead gangsta roll in their graves in envy and bring a tear to a glass eye.Bloody thing is probably written by a new age spotty herbert with a fat gutted PNHQ desk flyer dribbling over her shoulder.
Vettors with behavioural science -youd be dreamin mate .The last vettor i spoke to was ..wait for it....a yoga instructor from ashburton who didnt know the first thing about privacy laws let alone interviewing me in a public carpark whilst families strolled past to the toilets .Previous to that and in my own case I truck an ex traffic cop turned copper whose sarcasm and ridculing of matters pertaining to mental health made me see red and drill him a new arsehole. it set him back somewhat but did bring forth an apology for being inappropriate.
The fact I was also a serving Tf soldier also made him think twice. Ive also got depression had the bastard for years and I medicated but Im no different to anyone else-oh says he "well could you get a GPs certificate?" .my Dr burs t out laughing described me as a fairly safe pair of hands and whipped out a certificate.
Lets get it straight -Ive no truck with most frontline coppers having also been on more of my share of assorted explicit descriptions of my pedigree and others who loved Olivia newton John"lets get physical.(often with hot drinks or assorted body fluids trying to soak us) but we were trained to handle that and we did ..with bare hands!!
Its the shinyarsed biro pushers and Cahill types who get right up my clacker.

Originally Posted by kotuku

I replied and submitted .Told them nowwt but a bunch of price gougers whod make dead gangsta roll in their graves in envy and bring a tear to a glass eye.Bloody thing is probably written by a new age spotty herbert with a fat gutted PNHQ desk flyer dribbling over her shoulder.
Vettors with behavioural science -youd be dreamin mate .The last vettor i spoke to was ..wait for it....a yoga instructor from ashburton who didnt know the first thing about privacy laws let alone interviewing me in a public carpark whilst families strolled past to the toilets .Previous to that and in my own case I truck an ex traffic cop turned copper whose sarcasm and ridculing of matters pertaining to mental health made me see red and drill him a new arsehole. it set him back somewhat but did bring forth an apology for being inappropriate.
The fact I was also a serving Tf soldier also made him think twice. Ive also got depression had the bastard for years and I medicated but Im no different to anyone else-oh says he "well could you get a GPs certificate?" .my Dr burs t out laughing described me as a fairly safe pair of hands and whipped out a certificate.
Lets get it straight -Ive no truck with most frontline coppers having also been on more of my share of assorted explicit descriptions of my pedigree and others who loved Olivia newton John"lets get physical.(often with hot drinks or assorted body fluids trying to soak us) but we were trained to handle that and we did ..with bare hands!!
Its the shinyarsed biro pushers and Cahill types who get right up my clacker.

Proper interviewers are out there. I suppose its just the price difference between them and yoga instructors.

Ex t/o's. Yeah well, Im not going comment about them.

@ tac a1 if you had read the full proposal document you’d have seen that the hourly charge out rate was listed at $90/hr. That figure alone is laughable let alone some of the other figures used. Gave me little faith in the submission process but went through it anyway. The wording of the document gave me the impression that we will be paying around $700/ 10 year license plus endorsement fees every 2 years? Not at all palatable but will have to suck it up if that’s what it is. I admit to being a bit jaded with regards to licence fees. Eg. $900/5 years for Registered Chemical Applcator, a few hundred more/5 years for Invertebrate Poisons, a few hundred for MPI game recovery, a few more hundred to keep advanced First Aid cert. current, more dollars to keep chainsaw cert. Feck me the list goes on. All to make the world a safer place for all the pussys we’ve bred. Better stop now, getting wound up and of subject.

Originally Posted by woods223

@ tac a1 if you had read the full proposal document you’d have seen that the hourly charge out rate was listed at $90/hr. That figure alone is laughable let alone some of the other figures used. Gave me little faith in the submission process but went through it anyway. The wording of the document gave me the impression that we will be paying around $700/ 10 year license plus endorsement fees every 2 years? Not at all palatable but will have to suck it up if that’s what it is. I admit to being a bit jaded with regards to licence fees. Eg. $900/5 years for Registered Chemical Applcator, a few hundred more/5 years for Invertebrate Poisons, a few hundred for MPI game recovery, a few more hundred to keep advanced First Aid cert. current, more dollars to keep chainsaw cert. Feck me the list goes on. All to make the world a safer place for all the pussys we’ve bred. Better stop now, getting wound up and of subject.

I did read it, but I must of missed that $90 p/hr part somehow.

How do you justify $90 an hr when I would be surprised if a non sworn interviewer is getting $30.

Something stinks here.

Originally Posted by tac a1

I did read it, but I must of missed that $90 p/hr part somehow.

How do you justify $90 an hr when I would be surprised if a non sworn interviewer is getting $30.

Something stinks here.

A Police document released just before the close-off date for submissions put the charge-out rate at $143.00 per hour!

Originally Posted by gundoc

A Police document released just before the close-off date for submissions put the charge-out rate at $143.00 per hour!

Does anyone actually know how much per hr the interviewers actually get in their hand??

Interested to know and then how the Police justify that excessive amount

Originally Posted by gundoc

A Police document released just before the close-off date for submissions put the charge-out rate at $143.00 per hour!

Sounds like they are making shit up again.

I am actually pro user pays, but here where it gets interesting.

Going to piss our rugby lovers off, you want to play Rugby you need private insurance, boxing , mountain biking all sports with injury potential you pay insurance. Tourists must have full insurance to travel here.
The guy that buys an electric chain saw, and cuts himself, why should I as a person in the industry have to pay 12% when he’s a banker playing 3% and way more lighty to cut himself .

I know is having payed 10 -12% for 40 years when I need an operation, ACC claimed it was Old Age.

All food for thought!

Rant Over!