Thread: Police association reaction to submissions

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/patent...JVNMZVKFWIR3Y/

it's that liar again, the one who lied about not needing a license to buy ammo, 0 integrity.

Originally Posted by GDMP

6000 submissions it says there....seems once again most shooters were simply too apathetic to even bother making one.

Yes. But also take into consideration how many submissions are made for legislation changes on average. Bet this is much higher

I left mine till it was almost too late. I would imagine there are a lot that believe nothing would make a difference and I tend to agree.
My opinionon public consultation is that it makes it look like you will listen, keep most people quiet thinking they have a say and they do what they want anyway. As for cost, whilst my pocket wouldn't like it I will admit if it was raised to 400 nicker or a little more I could understand. The rest of the cost recovery exercise was blatant robbery.
We are tax payers too so already paying for some of it anyway.
Just another way to drive people from the sport

Two Points. Firstly, Where is the Independent Authority Firearms Owners were promised. Secondly, Police are not a User-Pays Organisation. The key words for Why Police screamed blue murder over an Independent Authority is going from Administrators Of to Regulators Of. Anything they want will be passed by Order In Council and with $200 Million+ to play with, and that will increase, Mike McIlraith is Empire Building and like before those monies will be diverted which is why NZ Police will present no background as to how the new Fees were arrived at. As for rolling out Cahill, he is the pet attack dog for PNHQ, nothing more but gun owners know this. My and your Taxes have already paid for the NZ Police. The End.

Originally Posted by OGM

Seems a bunch of folks (including some here) have been blaming the Police for giving the terrorist a license. As usual the government always has an answer and that's more bureaucracy and associated costs.

In any case no way does $126.50 cover costs.

My general sense is it will go to somewhere between $400-700. They are obviously considering a time payment option and I think this would be a good idea.



If its a quote in the media I suggest to disregard it. I trust the media less then used car sales and real estate agents.

Wrong. Firearms licensing is listed by Police as a public safety benefit. If the beneficiary of the 'safety benefits' is the public, let the public pay. I contest the reason Police don't want public funding is it requires an onerous and extremely detailed accounting of what the funds are spent on, whereas user pays can be 'creatively accounted' with less oversight.

Originally Posted by OGM

Seems a bunch of folks (including some here) have been blaming the Police for giving the terrorist a license. As usual the government always has an answer and that's more bureaucracy and associated costs.

In any case no way does $126.50 cover costs.

My general sense is it will go to somewhere between $400-700. They are obviously considering a time payment option and I think this would be a good idea.



If its a quote in the media I suggest to disregard it. I trust the media less then used car sales and real estate agents.

As long as criminals are charged for wasting police time as well, it’s only fair, if you’re looking at charging police time.
They are blatantly trying to price as out of our sport.

I made a submission and in doing so gave them a serve but all the while expected my words to be completely ignored. The outcome of the consultation will be what the Police want it to be and nothing we do or say will change that outcome. That said, I for one will never give them the satisfaction of relinquishing my chosen sport because of their efforts to make me do so.

Originally Posted by OGM

Seems a bunch of folks (including some here) have been blaming the Police for giving the terrorist a license. As usual the government always has an answer and that's more bureaucracy and associated costs.

In any case no way does $126.50 cover costs.

My general sense is it will go to somewhere between $400-700. They are obviously considering a time payment option and I think this would be a good idea.



If its a quote in the media I suggest to disregard it. I trust the media less then used car sales and real estate agents.

He stated it in an interview, some time ago.

Originally Posted by OGM

Seems a bunch of folks (including some here) have been blaming the Police for giving the terrorist a license. As usual the government always has an answer and that's more bureaucracy and associated costs.

In any case no way does $126.50 cover costs.

My general sense is it will go to somewhere between $400-700. They are obviously considering a time payment option and I think this would be a good idea.



If its a quote in the media I suggest to disregard it. I trust the media less then used car sales and real estate agents.

I pointed out in mine that the costs of a passport are not the full costs, neither is the costs for a Drivers license. In fact many of these are not fully charged. The full costs of criminal action are not passed on to the criminals (prosecution costs, processing costs, remand costs) so why should a firearms license be any different? If they started fully recovering costs for these then fine, I would accept a lift in fees- but if that is the case, then taxes would not need to be so high as they are recovering costs from users.

Originally Posted by Maca49

As long as criminals are charged for wasting police time as well, it’s only fair, if you’re looking at charging police time.
They are blatantly trying to price as out of our sport.

The proposal document admits that

I for one would like to see that the costs are broken down for all to see if they are going to hike the price of a licence.

That only seems fair to see where the money is going.

In reality I highly doubt it's going to cost $700 plus dollars. Remember its a Govt Dept. They do not pay well for non sworn staff to do anything.
($700 / $30 phr is 23.3 hrs of labour.)

I would like to see the interviewers who come to your house well paid. That is the only way that an interviewer of any quality will consider doing the job. Paying peanuts and employing retirees' is not the answer.

Astute, intelligent, experienced interviewers with behavioural science skills is what are required. If this had been done years ago certain events could possibly have been avoided before they even started.

Thats my 2 cents anyway. Sometimes to save money you have to spend money in the right places.

Originally Posted by muzza

Every task the Police perform is 100% funded by the tax payer already.

Will we have to pay when we roll up to a drink/drive checkpoint? I see no difference between police conducting breathe testing or firearms related work yet one group js paying and one is not.

Not just drink check points. Imagine if your driver license had to fund all of road policing. What would an argument be that there is a difference between being licensed to drive v a license to use a firearm?

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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

it's that liar again, the one who lied about not needing a license to buy ammo, 0 integrity.

Yep. Total tugboat.

I am actually pro user pays, but here where it gets interesting.

Going to piss our rugby lovers off, you want to play Rugby you need private insurance, boxing , mountain biking all sports with injury potential you pay insurance. Tourists must have full insurance to travel here.
The guy that buys an electric chain saw, and cuts himself, why should I as a person in the industry have to pay 12% when he’s a banker playing 3% and way more lighty to cut himself .

I know is having payed 10 -12% for 40 years when I need an operation, ACC claimed it was Old Age.

All food for thought!

Rant Over!