Thread: Police Shooting Range Manual.

Greetings all,
Just browsing through the New Arms Regulations and noticed there was no mention of the Police Shooting Range Manual. Is this still current?
Regards Grandpamac.

From my personal experience with Police on Military ranges over the 80's, 90's and 00's that's a very oxymoronic statement: That the Police actually have a manual

Police on Civilian Ranges have to abide by the Range Standing Orders of the particular Range they are using. The End. There is/are no special Rules for Police only. If the Breach Standing Orders off they go. Banned just like everyone else. I repeat, there are No Special Rules for the NZ Police. What they use at the Police College or their "Own" Ranges is entirely up to them.

Hopefully one of the rules is "Dont leave a box of glocks on the bench when you leave"....

Maybe you should all look here: https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....-15Dec22-R.pdf
@grandpamac this is what was updated on the FSA page on 30 June.
https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....hooting-ranges

We may be going back to shooting bodies having their own Range Manuals, but they will still be based on the current Police Range Manual as the were in the past. In my opinion as a Shooting Range Inspector the current Range Manual is very pragmatic compared to previous versions.

Originally Posted by Basenjiboy

Maybe you should all look here: https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....-15Dec22-R.pdf
@grandpamac this is what was updated on the FSA page on 30 June.
https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....hooting-ranges

We may be going back to shooting bodies having their own Range Manuals, but they will still be based on the current Police Range Manual as the were in the past. In my opinion as a Shooting Range Inspector the current Range Manual is very pragmatic compared to previous versions.

Nailed it, especially the pragmatic bit, the old NZDA and NZNRA range manuals were bearucratic nightmares, truly the most "fudd" documents I've had the misfortune to deal with . . .

When I was a range inspecting officer, these documents were the prime references we referred to a lot. Some light reading.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Vol1_Part2.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...p-403-volume-2. Chapter 2 was very useful when designing safety templates etc

You will see the similarities.

Originally Posted by Basenjiboy

Maybe you should all look here: https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....-15Dec22-R.pdf
@grandpamac this is what was updated on the FSA page on 30 June.
https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....hooting-ranges

We may be going back to shooting bodies having their own Range Manuals, but they will still be based on the current Police Range Manual as the were in the past. In my opinion as a Shooting Range Inspector the current Range Manual is very pragmatic compared to previous versions.

An actual useful answer

Originally Posted by BSA

Police on Civilian Ranges have to abide by the Range Standing Orders of the particular Range they are using. The End. There is/are no special Rules for Police only. If the Breach Standing Orders off they go. Banned just like everyone else. I repeat, there are No Special Rules for the NZ Police. What they use at the Police College or their "Own" Ranges is entirely up to them.

One very Highly respected NZDA member, Range officer and Target shooter told a story in regards to the police using the Rotorua NZDA range, post the buy back, so semis out for practice.

I'm told he got there just in time, targets set out in 360 degrees and including on top of the range bunds. He was not impressed at all
He has a few other stories that aren't suitable for on line as most are still serving.

Originally Posted by Basenjiboy

Maybe you should all look here: https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....-15Dec22-R.pdf
@grandpamac this is what was updated on the FSA page on 30 June.
https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....hooting-ranges

We may be going back to shooting bodies having their own Range Manuals, but they will still be based on the current Police Range Manual as the were in the past. In my opinion as a Shooting Range Inspector the current Range Manual is very pragmatic compared to previous versions.

The FSA Clubs & Range Team are working on an updated Range Manual at the moment. I had a read through it a few weeks ago - they were waiting on the new regulations to drop to complete the new version.

Originally Posted by HuntBeta

When I was a range inspecting officer, these documents were the prime references we referred to a lot. Some light reading.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...Vol1_Part2.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...p-403-volume-2. Chapter 2 was very useful when designing safety templates etc
You will see the similarities.

I haven't read through the JSP 403 in a couple of years but assuming it hasn't changed then it is significantly out of date. You are right though, the current FSA templating is essentially a direct copy. The basis for the templating is simple, and is also simply not relevant for the majority of field rifle ranges that have any real undulation or essentially any natural backstop.

Thanks everybody,
That got me up to speed. There will be an updated Range Safety Manual but shooting organisations will be able to develop more specific rules as is currently the case with the NRA shooters. Watch this space.
GPM

That JSP has been replaced with the document found here:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...3_Volume_2.pdf

Originally Posted by BSA

Police on Civilian Ranges have to abide by the Range Standing Orders of the particular Range they are using. The End. There is/are no special Rules for Police only. If the Breach Standing Orders off they go. Banned just like everyone else. I repeat, there are No Special Rules for the NZ Police. What they use at the Police College or their "Own" Ranges is entirely up to them.

So special rules for the use of centre semi auto rifles then, you know the ones we not allowed anymore

Is there any different between that of civilian range requirements and the military/defense force?

The defense force use everything from pistol, rifle, machine gun, mortar, howitzer and a few other weapon systems

Originally Posted by Seventenths

Is there any different between that of civilian range requirements and the military/defense force?

The defense force use everything from pistol, rifle, machine gun, mortar, howitzer and a few other weapon systems

From memory everything below 20 mm is a small arm and the above are guns/cannons. And the others are considered the same ( pistols etc) , range firing is basicaly the same as civvy ranges and is control firing ( for want of a better term). The sort of exception is live fire training , but still follow all the rules , but are done to a plan.