Thread: Really? How hard is it

Were they being used/handled by a person at the time or were they just sitting there loaded with nobody around them when they went off?

As far as negligence vs mechanical failure it'd have to be like, 1000:1 incidence ratio or higher.... it's easier to say "it just went off" though, than "I'm a dingus and I had my finger on the trigger when I shouldn't have".

Originally Posted by Towely

Were they being used/handled by a person at the time or were they just sitting there loaded with nobody around them when they went off?

Handled at the time, however nothing near the trigger. Things like firing as soon as the bolt closed due to mechanical issues in the trigger mechanism.

I'm with you on that Gimp, very few would put their hand up, "I'm the muppet who accidentally shot the prick 'cos I wasn't paying proper attention, sorry boss"

If it was being handled then it hardly went off on its own.

this is what I think if anyone cares...the guy was on the ground and handcuffed. the rifle should have been checked clear before moving him. simple.

Originally Posted by sakokid

this is what I think if anyone cares...the guy was on the ground and handcuffed. the rifle should have been checked clear before moving him. simple.

Not realistic in Police situations, as soon as they get to an area the firearms are actioned and don't get cleared until suspect AND scene is secured, think about it, you're more likely to get a UD when mucking around with the action beside an offender than if you just leave it slung.

If all procedures that Police implement were followed then this wouldn't have happened, however I don't know anything about what happened so I will reserve judgement until I do.

Originally Posted by Towely

Cars dont start themselves up and drive away just as guns dont fire by themselves. Both require an outside influence to work. Sack the fucker.

Of course the gun has an outside influence, it was being carried! What did you expect? The rifle to go into the house all on its own and apprehend the offender?

You have no idea who the cop is or how much of a contribution he has made to our society and may continue to make, he is a person with bills and probably a family. Should we sack every truck driver that has an accident in his truck? Or every doctor that makes a bad call and loses a patient? Would have you been willing to enter an unknown house with an unknown mental offender with your Stony Creek gear and hunting rifle?

Ya know really we wenrt there so what makes us the experts............................??????unless were qualified on the subject of this incedent then......................just fuck up and stop pretending you have been there.......................................really fuck up.....................................any AOS in here??????????????????????? no ?ha ha nah I wasn't there either so id just feel sory for the AOS member and not try and say how id react in the situation........................just saying.

Originally Posted by gimp

You'd hope so but....




With this and the shooting of the Courier on the motorway the other year, I sort of think the incidence of accidental shootings compared to firearm use time must be astronomically high amongst police compared to hunters and recreational shooters. Tens of thousands of recreational firearms users using firearms every day, only a couple of incidents a year, a few thousand police using firearms every so often and at least 2 accidental shootings in the last 4 years

The courier was the victim of a ricochet, not a misidentified target.

You can't compare the two, completely different situations, stupid to even try and make a point of it.

If not being there was the rule behind any discussion then it would be a pretty quite world and an empty forum?
How do you know no one here is a member of the AOS and or police with in depth knowledge of the SOP for these situations though? Just assuming because they don't sign off every time with their badge number?

Dead right on sympathy for the member that shot him though. Regardless of how it happened its still a shit situation.

These AOS guys or what ever they are called are acting under stresses us ordinary people can't even imagine. You simply can't compare it to a hunting situation, any more than you can put yourself in the shoes of the officer who had his firearm discharge.

Suspend the judgement and rah rah and wait and see. If someone is culpable they will get their formal come uppance. As well as having to live with whatever happened.

There. And I didn't say f-ck once.

Originally Posted by Savage1

The courier was the victim of a ricochet, not a misidentified target.

You can't compare the two, completely different situations, stupid to even try and make a point of it.

An accident is an accident... "It's okay he just didn't check his firing zone" ? nah. but there's a different imperative there than when hunting


Not really making a serious point since they're not comparable situations

So the AOS was called due to this person causing problems,
They ARE the AOS eg wepons may be needed to detain the person...All persons there will shoot if nessacery
So they detained the guy.
A rifle..likely an AR was slung over a sholder once the person was detained.
easy for any body to have happen..

Go get your ARs out of the safe remember to 1st check its clean and safe.
once safe throw it over your rite sholder muzzle down.
Click...
If no click close your curtans and jump and move around fast.
you will get a click...before long.

If the officer didnt intend to shoot the guy then his incompetence resulted in the gun going off. Yep, sack the fucker. He/she shouldnt be allowed to be armed.

Originally Posted by gimp

With this and the shooting of the Courier on the motorway the other year, I sort of think the incidence of accidental shootings compared to firearm use time must be astronomically high amongst police compared to hunters and recreational shooters. Tens of thousands of recreational firearms users using firearms every day, only a couple of incidents a year, a few thousand police using firearms every so often and at least 2 accidental shootings in the last 4 years

Kinda like comparing the crash rate of a WRC or IndyCar driver with the little old lady only driving to her local Countdown, and then coming to the conclusion that the racing driver has piss poor driving skills

So sure you want to stick with this line of reasoning Gimpster ?