Thread: Sick of it all. Off to war.

Right I just saw this article and a few things jumped out at me. Soaring immigration levels positive for economy, no reason for xenophobic politics | Stuff.co.nz

"Immigrants in Auckland contribute much more to taxation and economic benefits. Therefore, their net contribution is higher than the local population."

There will be some new migrants competing with Kiwi workers for some low-value jobs, but they are in the minority.

Skilled migrants make up 60 per cent of total immigrants. With these new arrivals come new business, new investment and new connections with key export markets.

There you go, 36,000 odd unskilled migrants coming in each year to compete with locals for jobs. Seems like they are winning. This is all I have to say on this topic.

I would like to move the discussion from us being on the backfoot defending our reasons and right to own semi autos, to discussing crime and how we can solve it.

Violent armed robberies on dairy owners have increased a lot as taxes have gone up on cigarettes. I am not a smoker, but are we putting a public health goal ahead of the personal safety of dairy owners?

Would dairys get robbed if the owners were allowed to defend themselves with the same sometimes lethal force the burglar brings?

Originally Posted by tararua

There you go, 36,000 odd unskilled migrants coming in each year to compete with locals for jobs. Seems like they are winning. This is all I have to say on this topic.

I am an immigrant

The reason migrants are winning is coz they are willing to turn up, do the work, and not whinge....

And hey, if you want to stop immigration, wait till all your kiwi brothers currently working over in Aus get sent back (fair is fair), and you have to compete with them... Then we will see who starts crying...

Just saying

Originally Posted by ebf

I am an immigrant

The reason migrants are winning is coz they are willing to turn up, do the work, and not whinge....

Your better than us? Is that what your saying?
You had better not whinge you get a damn good deal coming to new zealand.
You should show some respect to the locals because your gain is our loss.
Our country is now full. You come here take jobs, congest our roads and hike up the price of housing Alot of you don't even speak our language.
I don't blame the immigrants, I'd want to come here too.
I blame the dickhead who opened the floodgates.
We are on the fast track to turning our country into the same shit holes these people are coming from.

Originally Posted by SlowElliot

Your better than us? Is that what your saying?
You had better not whinge you get a damn good deal coming to new zealand.
You should show some respect to the locals because your gain is our loss.
Our country is now full. You come here take jobs, congest our roads and hike up the price of housing Alot of you don't even speak our language.
I don't blame the immigrants, I'd want to come here too.
I blame the dickhead who opened the floodgates.
We are on the fast track to turning our country into the same shit holes these people are coming from.

Can't agree with you I am afraid. Give me a foreigner that contributes to our country over a Kiwi with a sense of entitlement who is on the bludge any day.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Can't agree with you I am afraid. Give me a foreigner that contributes to our country over a Kiwi with a sense of entitlement who is on the bludge any day.

So would I, unfortunately we get both.
We aren't trading one for other.
My issue is with the population growth, not the individuals.
I'd rather give the guy on the bludge a job than keep him on the dole and import someone for the job instead.

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Originally Posted by SlowElliot

Your better than us? Is that what your saying?
You had better not whinge you get a damn good deal coming to new zealand.
You should show some respect to the locals because your gain is our loss.
Our country is now full. You come here take jobs, congest our roads and hike up the price of housing Alot of you don't even speak our language.
I don't blame the immigrants, I'd want to come here too.
I blame the dickhead who opened the floodgates.
We are on the fast track to turning our country into the same shit holes these people are coming from.

Congratulations, that's the stupidest thing I've read on this forum

Originally Posted by Tommy

Congratulations, that's the stupidest thing I've read on this forum

Care to explain why?

Originally Posted by SlowElliot

Your better than us? Is that what your saying?

No...

Originally Posted by SlowElliot

You had better not whinge you get a damn good deal coming to new zealand.

I'm not whinging, you guys are whinging about immigrants. We could have chosen to go to any one of several countries (Aus, Canada, NZ) under skilled migrant criteria - we CHOSE this country.

Originally Posted by SlowElliot

You should show some respect to the locals because your gain is our loss.

Are you saying you are better than me, coz that is what this sounds like. Have you considered that my gain is actually NZ's gain as well ?
You don't even know me. We came here, bought a house, have paid it off, and I started a business. We have made a point of not sticking to the clique of folks from my previous country, but rather gone out of our way to fit into NZ society and make kiwi friends (several on here).

Before tarring every immigrant with the same brush and making all sort of general statements, you might want to consider individual cases and being slightly more open-minded.

Kiwis are known around the world for being open-minded, fair, and welcoming. I find this anti-immigrant stance very weird, especially considering the fact that working all over the world is part of growing up as a kiwi...

Originally Posted by ebf

No...

I'm not whinging, you guys are whinging about immigrants. We could have chosen to go to any one of several countries (Aus, Canada, NZ) under skilled migrant criteria - we CHOSE this country.

Are you saying you are better than me, coz that is what this sounds like. Have you considered that my gain is actually NZ's gain as well ?
You don't even know me. We came here, bought a house, have paid it off, and I started a business. We have made a point of not sticking to the clique of folks from my previous country, but rather gone out of our way to fit into NZ society and make kiwi friends (several on here).

Before tarring every immigrant with the same brush and making all sort of general statements, you might want to consider individual cases and being slightly more open-minded.

Kiwis are known around the world for being open-minded, fair, and welcoming. I find this anti-immigrant stance very weird, especially considering the fact that working all over the world is part of growing up as a kiwi...

I'm not great at expressing myself, so apploggies for any offence caused.
I'm all for Immigration, if there's room.
But for me there isn't anymore. My problem is the out of control population growth.
I understand everyone is an individual.

I didn't like your statement about immigrats winning.
Not all of us kiwi are useless dole bludgers. Alot of us work very hard and for fuck all, just like Alot of immigrants.


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Originally Posted by SlowElliot

Care to explain why?

They don't call you slow for nothing eh?

Originally Posted by SlowElliot

Your better than us? Is that what your saying? I doubt it. Just stating facts as he sees them
You had better not whinge you get a damn good deal coming to new zealand. So did you, immigrant
You should show some respect to the locals because your gain is our loss. Bet you he shows up to work every day, works hard, has the respect of his peers and colleagues. He earns it. Do you? The chip on your shoulder says no
Our country is now full. You come here take jobs, congest our roads and hike up the price of housing Alot of you don't even speak our language. For fuck's sakes, he writes better than you do, with better punctuation, spelling, grammar etc
I don't blame the immigrants, I'd want to come here too. Your family did
I blame the dickhead who opened the floodgates. Cook? or Kupe?
We are on the fast track to turning our country into the same shit holes these people are coming from. NZ is very.... Commonwealth, if you know what I mean?

Thanks that's better that just insulting me and running off.
I called myself slow, nobody else does.
I'll admit I'm not well written.
I do work, I have skillset that very few people have. I'm self tought, very good at what i do and have worked hard to get where I am.
Again my problem is with the population not individuals.
I was referring to John key.

Originally Posted by Tommy

They don't call you slow for nothing eh?

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Originally Posted by ebf

I am an immigrant

The reason migrants are winning is coz they are willing to turn up, do the work, and not whinge....

And hey, if you want to stop immigration, wait till all your kiwi brothers currently working over in Aus get sent back (fair is fair), and you have to compete with them... Then we will see who starts crying...


Just saying

ebf yr whinging, and yr one we want?

Originally Posted by ebf

I am an immigrant

The reason migrants are winning is coz they are willing to turn up, do the work, and not whinge....

And hey, if you want to stop immigration, wait till all your kiwi brothers currently working over in Aus get sent back (fair is fair), and you have to compete with them... Then we will see who starts crying...

Just saying

I thought only the laid back kiwis were going to Ozy to work! :-)

Originally Posted by ebf

I am an immigrant

The reason migrants are winning is coz they are willing to turn up, do the work, and not whinge....

And hey, if you want to stop immigration, wait till all your kiwi brothers currently working over in Aus get sent back (fair is fair), and you have to compete with them... Then we will see who starts crying...

Just saying

Immigrants show that they have plenty of 'get up and go' by the mere fact that they 'got up and went.' They tend to bring in more cultural variety too.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

Immigrants show that they have plenty of 'get up and go' by the mere fact that they 'got up and went.' They tend to bring in more cultural variety too.

It's hard to find good help.
I've seen alot of people come and go.
To be honest, I see the same range of work ethic in them as everyone else, at least in my workplace. Some are great some are useless.
Most people do the bare minimum and aren't interested at all in our moto of constant improvement.