Wirehunt.
The manufacturer is very important. Ask yourself this question; if Ford recalls a model because of an electronic fault does it involve any Holden cars? ;-)
Those DPT cans are getting light, ever heard of them failing? I haven't.
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Wirehunt.
The manufacturer is very important. Ask yourself this question; if Ford recalls a model because of an electronic fault does it involve any Holden cars? ;-)
Those DPT cans are getting light, ever heard of them failing? I haven't.
Gear fails from time to time. It wears out, has a fault at the start etc. as long as it's remedied correctly and no one is hurt I can't see it being a deal breaker.
If people want cans that won't fail, then let's go back to stainless blast baffles and all stainless suppressors.
They weigh a ton but they are unlikely to fail.
When you use alloy, then it will get weak over time. Its just the metal.
And as always, nothing lasts forever.
The DPT/Atec/Roedale style with screw together baffles machined from solid aluminium seem to be about an order of magnitude less likely to fail than the ones with baffles stuffed in a tube. Yes they'll wear out faster than steel but who cares, they're a cheap wear part.
Fords are only recalled to make them cooler. Holdens................Quote:
Originally Posted by craigc
Is your Ford a twin turbo? Or is that only with you in it?😆Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
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Maybe for you. But for me if they don't do at least two rifles they are crap. I don't think 16-18000 rounds is asking to much. They are getting close to the cost of a rifle themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Atec is definitely louder than a Waitaki.
But it will probably involve a Mazda.Quote:
Originally Posted by craigc
Waitaki quietness is irrelevant because at 700 grams it weighs over 3 times as much and it's got no place in my lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Mine weighed 640.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
And the quietness isn't irrelevant , because, noise supressor = Quietness.
anything more than approx 300 grams is too heavy to be practical for what I want, so therefore if it weighs more than that, how quiet it is is irrelevant
and w/r/t "640 grams", I never specified what it weighed more than 3x more than....
In this day in age, quite possibly- Look at the Takata airbag issue. Some car brands have issued recalls, others have not. Because they are safer? Not at all, rather because they do not want to admit it. If that was to be a reason for a recall, I would actually buy the brand that issued the recall as they would be being up front with their customer.Quote:
Originally Posted by craigc
Every business will have a failure or complaint of some issue at some point. I maintain it is not the failure or complaint itself that is the issue but the way that it is dealt with and sorted that will separate a good business from a bad one.
Well I just wasted half an hour of my life that I will never get back on a thread about NOTHING.
9 pages of bs and moaning. Yawn
But it wasnt a waste of time to let everyone know it was a waste of time ayeQuote:
Originally Posted by possum_shooter
Anything man made can have flaws in it
Is there any major damage to the rifle
Why do you even bother with a can @gimp ? Only worthwhile if you are putting a lot down range? If you moan about 400 grams well fuck, why bother???
The really light suppressors get rid of some noise but they are still in the dB range that damages hearing.
If it doesn't drop the dB range enough, you are just carrying weight for no purpose other than looks.
I just can't agree with that, even though I can see where you are coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by jim160
Hearing damage is not a on or off thing so even if it's in the damage zone it's still better to be lower down in it.
If you're deciding to use muffs or more likely earplugs instead of a can then they are very unlikely to drop you all the way down into the safe zone.
Even with a good can I'll use hearing protection if there is time, have lost way to much already and most of its is shooting related.
Suppressors are awesome, however soon people will realise that they are a specific purpose item, you need to match the unit to the type of hunting or shooting you do (Iv tested and popped with realitive ease most Suppressors if not all available in NZ)
As a rule of thumb if you have an AR15 or AR10 stay away from anything that is not stainless steel UNLESS!! And this is important) if you are going to purely hunt with it and sustain a rate of fire similar to your average bolt gun all the lightweight units are just fine.
I currently have a cheap light aluminium can on my M&P 10 as I needed to keep the weight down but often find myself hunting without hearing protection and while it's not the quietest unit I'm still very happy it's on instead of a 308 blasting 14.5 inches from my face.
What about lightweight alloy suppressors on magnum calibres? Are they really going to last with the extra velocity, powder burn and pressure from a magnum?
Steel suppressors will be too heavy to carry round especially on an alpine rig, which is why I just use a muzzle break instead.
Like you say Dr Watson, they have a specific purpose.
D Watson, i think the same but would be pissd carrying your AR in the scrub with its mag and sling up top in the way
Why are suppressors weights such a major topic. They aren't much in the total weight package are they? Then there is the fact that I'd probably loose the equivalent of five or ten suppressors worth of weight if I dieted for a month
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Yeah I mostly hunt with a 5 rnd ... Also I pretty much shoot something everyday with this rifle... Is it better to carry than a tikka hacked off with a can ? No probably not... But shooting isn't a novelty activity for me and if I'm going to shoot a rifle everyday.. It's not going to be something lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by 338 man
That said its only a little over minimum length, when it's on my back it sits flat upside down... The stock sits below the top of my shoulder and the can doesn't really protrude past my right hip... Not the best, but not too bad
I was thinking if a suppressor is too heavy to carry, how will they get their animal home.....Our ears and our eyes are precious. The damage cannot be undone. Look after them when you have them and you may get to keep them....Quote:
Originally Posted by smidey
Here's the thing with weight ...Quote:
Originally Posted by smidey
It adds up.
"It's not much in the over all package" can be said for almost all of the parts of your gun.
Anyone who has tried to make a light set up will understand the way weight can get away from you.
Also the suppressor hangs on the end of the barrel any weight is multiplied because of the leverage it has on you.
Lame? I shoot every day. Lame is something that costs more than a howa or cheap shotgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Watson
As for this over the back, you don't kill shit with a rifle there.
One thing most have missed, the weight of a stainless can helps in offhand shooting. Hell, it helps in most positions.
"Lame is something that costs more than a howa or cheap shotgun."
... Ummm ... I was going to write a lengthy response but with statements like that where do I start?
As for trying to convince hunters they are better off with heavy stainless lumps on their hunting rifles...
Good luck!
you might be shovelling the poop up hill with that one :thumbsup:
Most of them struggle to justify a can. Unless your firing more than a couple of shots at a time what's the point? At the range you use muffs.
For me they are easy to justify though as are electronic muffs for shot gunning.
If you are into walking it in long range is a can needed? Muffs would do the job.
It's almost like people have different opinions, preferences or priority's.
:D :D :D
Sounds like the human race in general.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmay
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So if I only ever fire one shot when I go hunting does that mean I don't really need a suppressor?
That's right, within reason.
No it's not. 1 shot without a supressor makes my ears ring like fuck.
How many decibels do most suppressors reduce the sound on average? 30 maybe?
The larger the calibre that is suppressed, the less effective they seem to be.
Suppressed 30 cal rifles still generate a huge amount of noise when suppressed which makes me wonder if they are adequate in protecting your hearing?
Is one shot enough to damage hearing?
The 30 cal will still scare any game away suppressed or not.
My suppressed 300wm seemed alot more quite than an unsuppressed 7mm08 beside me and definantly quiter than a .270 but then I guess it might seem different being behind it shooting than standing behind the shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by yogi
Its still not safe to fire without hearing protection IMO but then Im already stuffed from construction so I baby my ears now.
Regardless. A suppressed big cal is nicer to shoot, better for the potential second shot and they are a god send with regards to the ears regardless of decibel ratings.
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I'd run a suppressor even if I only fired a handful of rounds a year. I use earplugs with it aswell but It's not practical to run hearing protection in every situation, like spook and shoot in the bush
If you don't care about decibel rating, then why have a suppressor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Go without and don't have the weight.
Either way, you will still be deaf if the suppressor doesn't reduce below a safe level.
Just my opinion anyway.
an unsuppressed shot does far more damage than a suppressed one, and while it may still be loud at the gun, a suppressed can be nearly inaudible a matter of 1-200 meters away, unlike an unsuppressed shot