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Whanganui man admits selling illegal firearm to gang member - NZ Herald
Something to make legit firearms owners spew.
What I want to know is where did he get it from in the first place?
What sort of deterrent sentience do you think this valuable member of society will get? Home D? Some waste of time community service? Or will judge Cooper will make an example of him?����
Bit that makes me. Spew is that he was allowed to leave the firearms store with a firearm having not shown his licence. All nz stores have this policy (asked around after someone on here got caught out), said store needs a kick up the arse
The store is under no obligation to see his license, he took the rifle in therefore the assumption would be he was the legal owner. Had he left it there for repair etc he would have been asked to produce his license when picking it up.
Personally I don't think you should be able to buy any gun parts with a gun licence
hope judge makes an example of him
Where's the problem now? Illegal firearm, selling it to a gang member, growing an illegal drug? It will be with the judge if the sentence doesn't fit the crime. The police by now should have made attempts to recover it and the purchaser also charged?
community service and a sad face sticker on his hand.
Don't so stupid guys the obvious solution to the problem is to tighten up on us guys we did the crime after all
It sounds like the rifle was sawnoff or something similar for it to be an illegal firearm (and to fit under a car seat), and that probably the gun shop reported it to the police. The article says they searched his place because he had no license, so someone had to have told the police he had a firearm. 16 days from shop visit to search is a long time though.
Yep agree, I was left wondering that too. He was clearly sketchy enough for the shop to report to the police, but after two and a half weeks it's no wonder he'd had time to get rid of it. It will be interesting to see how the judiciary treat it and what proportion of the max sentence he gets. It can hardly be considered a minor end of the spectrum offence for several reasons, so lets see if it gets less than 1/10th of max (my bet is that it won't even end up being that)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
funny that -was just reading sideshows post on the "ultravires "thread and police communique re MSSA.the very last point made seems to fit this wee blooper(sarcastic bastard arent I) ideally-police and safety ,legal etc etc firearms use. now tis is not gents a case of seeing if indeed proof of pudding is in the eating.
over to you m'lud,and a well executed longshot to the boundary would look rather splendid-the man is a fool and needs to be made aware of us the law abiding ones!
"Remanded on bail." He'll walk.
Yup. The police should be pushing their efforts at the courts, not us. It fucking amazes me how twisted this all isQuote:
Originally Posted by keneff
Where's a dislike button when you need itQuote:
Originally Posted by keneff
Once again I think there should be a "Possession with Criminal Intent" rule with some sort of mandatory sentence. In this case his only reason to have the weapon was probably to defend his drugs or on sell to another criminal. Unlawful possession is more for someone who got their Grandfathers gun and never got a license or hunters with no license (yes they are out there) etc.
+1 300CALMAN think your right.
that to logical for the powers to be to understand youll have to come up with something else
hope the judge makes him shelf it. then he can brag about his concealed carry to all his mates in the showers.
ha.
There's no need for that. That's why the penalties span so far. To reflect the seriousness of the crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Judges don't seem to understand that.
Hence the problem, it needs to be divied up otherwise we would have one charge of "breaking the law" that covered everything from genocide to a parking ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Needs to be a very high minimum on firearm aggravated assaults/robbery possession with intent etc to provide ANY sort of deterrent at all.
I have spoken with some of the folks involved with this story.
Person with the firearm, which is whole not cut down, belongs to a member of a "club" which criminals have been associated with and wearing of certain clothing banned in wanganui.
Is also well known to the local constabulary.
The local plod who conducted the search was disappointed with the time period of notification to search warrant issued. Local AO wasnt too interested i gathered. Same bloke will nail a law abiding citizen licenced to own firearms and/or make it realllyyy difficult to get a E endorsement (AO not plod).
I recon there's a very slight chance the judge may lightly wring out the wet bus ticket before he gently taps the perp on the knuckles with it......... After an Appel or two of course
Cheers
Pete
22 posts, and Sydney hasn't chimed in once to tell you all you got it all wrong.
Must be off sick or something :)
Maybe he's back at law school learning how much more educated he is than the rest of us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
What most are unaware of is that the shop is also required (according to the arms regulations) to record the license details and address of the person dropping the firearm off for repair, not only on collection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
Address? I don't think I have ever been asked for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPT
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Even if I was I wouldn't give them my real home address.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Yea I would think twice on that alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
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Unfortunately it is a requirement of a dealer, it seems most dealers are unaware of this as we were until pointed out by our local arms officer.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
The arms act refers to the arms regulations Arms Regulations 1992 (SR 1992/346) (as at 01 July 2017) Contents – New Zealand Legislation
click on #7 "records kept by licence dealer" and then go down to #2
Every licensed dealer must record, in respect of every item to which this regulation applies received by the licensed dealer (including every item received for sale, repair, or modification),—
(a)
particulars of the item (including its serial number, calibre, make, and model); and
(b)
the date the item was received; and
(c)
except in the case of a pistol or restricted weapon received under section 10(2) of the Act, the name and address of the person from whom the item is received; and
(d)
except in the case of a pistol or restricted weapon received under section 10(2) of the Act or a restricted airgun received from a person who is of or over the age of 18 years, the number of the firearms licence of the person from whom the item is received
@DPT You make a factual point backed up by law.
However the rifle in question was Never Received by the dealer in question. I know this as FACT.
The shitbag wanted a new magazine for the rifle and when asked what it was, ie make model, he did not know.
This the point at which he went to the car to retrieve it.
So point I'm making is the rifle was only brought onto the premises to confirm a part requirement. It was never received, held or even repaired by dealer.
Yes, sorry my reply wasnt regarding that bloke or dealer, just responding to another post regarding a dealer only needing to see a license on collection of a rifle that had work done on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reindeer
Ok sweet as :)