Thread: Useing the firearms register

The firearms I verbally registered back in July (after I bought a rifle and triggered the requirement) still aren't appearing on the website.
I've now sold one I could register. But to be able to edit my registered firearms, I have to go with a printed form to a Police station to prove that my FSA profile (from my RealMe profile used to get a passport) is me.

You couldn't write a comedy on this.

Originally Posted by dogmatix

The firearms I verbally registered back in July (after I bought a rifle and triggered the requirement) still aren't appearing on the website.
I've now sold one I could register. But to be able to edit my registered firearms, I have to go with a printed form to a Police station to prove that my FSA profile (from my RealMe profile used to get a passport) is me.

You couldn't write a comedy on this.

I'm not convinced it's pure incompetence/negligence and more malicious

My view
1. Yes that is an activating event (for both parties).
2. Add it to your registered firearms.

FYI #1
When purchasing a rifle from someone who has not registered: Technically this is an activating event for them - the seller - but the buyer is not required to record/provide their details to the registry, so they are effectively ignored by the registry and can continue being unregistered if it is their choice to do so, and not the buyers obligation to pursue. I confirmed this recently when purchasing and registering another rifle.
FYI #2
When registering a rifle that was not previously registered: Do not make the mistake of ringing the ‘transfers’ line as I did, the operator will go into a flap because the seller is technically required to notify the registry of the sale, who then contact you (the buyer) to complete the transfer. If you as the buyer initiate the transfer, they will get confused because it will potentially create an additional duplicate entry onto the system, which apparently is a ‘problem’. This scenario is predicated on the assumption that the seller is fulfilling their obligation of activating circumstances. If you believe the seller is not going to do this, just ring the registration line (not transfers) and register the firearm. You don’t have to provide any information of where it came from, or who the seller was.

Originally Posted by -BW-

FYI #1
When purchasing a rifle from someone who has not registered: Technically this is an activating event for them - the seller - but the buyer is not required to record/provide their details to the registry, so they are effectively ignored by the registry and can continue being unregistered if it is their choice to do so, and not the buyers obligation to pursue. I confirmed this recently when purchasing and registering another rifle.
FYI #2
When registering a rifle that was not previously registered: Do not make the mistake of ringing the ‘transfers’ line as I did, the operator will go into a flap because the seller is technically required to notify the registry of the sale, who then contact you (the buyer) to complete the transfer. If you as the buyer initiate the transfer, they will get confused because it will potentially create an additional duplicate entry onto the system, which apparently is a ‘problem’. This scenario is predicated on the assumption that the seller is fulfilling their obligation of activating circumstances. If you believe the seller is not going to do this, just ring the registration line (not transfers) and register the firearm. You don’t have to provide any information of where it came from, or who the seller was.

I've been considering the "FYI#2" point, and the potential implications of it. If this is correct, then potentially the entire registration database is a lame duck. What you are suggesting is the same as what someone else has mentioned - that the same firearm could end up being erroneously registered to two or more 'tickets' due to no automated crosschecking function and failures in the transfer methodology in the database.

Originally Posted by No.3

I've been considering the "FYI#2" point, and the potential implications of it. If this is correct, then potentially the entire registration database is a lame duck. What you are suggesting is the same as what someone else has mentioned - that the same firearm could end up being erroneously registered to two or more 'tickets' due to no automated crosschecking function and failures in the transfer methodology in the database.

I keep my nephews firearms here because he cannot have them at his house. When he thought he was doing the right thing by registering his 30-06 which I had already registered to me I recieved a phone call the next day from the authority asking for clarification. So somehow they did pick it up.

Originally Posted by No.3

I've been considering the "FYI#2" point, and the potential implications of it. If this is correct, then potentially the entire registration database is a lame duck. What you are suggesting is the same as what someone else has mentioned - that the same firearm could end up being erroneously registered to two or more 'tickets' due to no automated crosschecking function and failures in the transfer methodology in the database.

What was mentioned to me (by the operator that got themselves into a fuss) was that if duplicate entries are entered into the system, they would work out which one was correct and delete one, or something like that I think. But it was hard to tell with that particular operator as they were in a bit of a tizz, and had the phone manner of a 9 year old with stage fright performing in the school play. I ended up hanging up on them and calling the registration line.

Originally Posted by -BW-

FYI #1
When purchasing a rifle from someone who has not registered: Technically this is an activating event for them - the seller - but the buyer is not required to record/provide their details to the registry, so they are effectively ignored by the registry and can continue being unregistered if it is their choice to do so, and not the buyers obligation to pursue. I confirmed this recently when purchasing and registering another rifle.
FYI #2
When registering a rifle that was not previously registered: Do not make the mistake of ringing the ‘transfers’ line as I did, the operator will go into a flap because the seller is technically required to notify the registry of the sale, who then contact you (the buyer) to complete the transfer. If you as the buyer initiate the transfer, they will get confused because it will potentially create an additional duplicate entry onto the system, which apparently is a ‘problem’. This scenario is predicated on the assumption that the seller is fulfilling their obligation of activating circumstances. If you believe the seller is not going to do this, just ring the registration line (not transfers) and register the firearm. You don’t have to provide any information of where it came from, or who the seller was.

Thank you, interesting to know

I was curious as to how they were going to smooth the path for bringing unregistered guns in

They'd be mad not to allow people to register guns, But to be honest I expected more red tape than what you described

I was surprised that the FSA aren't pressuring - or even asking - buyers to provide the details of the seller that they purchased the firearm from. Maybe its done this way with the intent of encouraging more registration, and potentially to get firearms they may have been held unlawfully by unlicensed individuals, into the system. A sort of amnesty I suppose.

riddle me this then...
for lets pretend sake...you are storing 3-4 firearms for a friend...or friend of friend...as many of us do... you register them like good wee FAL holder we all are,then fall out with said person.... possesion is nine tenths of the law...and you have the firearm registered to your name..... be plurry hard to get it back off you.....
I can see this becoming an issue in the near future.

so I just bought a "registered" rifle off a fella, does he need to take it off his name before i can put it on my name? Do I get a notification of something saying that he has done so?

Originally Posted by NewbieZAR

so I just bought a "registered" rifle off a fella, does he need to take it off his name before i can put it on my name? Do I get a notification of something saying that he has done so?

Yes. He should ring the register first to notify he has sold it. He will give them your name and license number. That will list the transfer as ‘pending’ on the system. Then you complete the transfer by notifying them of the of purchase.
The only ambiguous part of this process, is if the seller does not do their part first, and the buyer gets left in the dark waiting for notification.
If they don’t contact you within a week or so, ring them instead.

Originally Posted by -BW-

Yes. He should ring the register first to notify he has sold it. He will give them your name and license number. That will list the transfer as ‘pending’ on the system. Then you complete the transfer by notifying them of the of purchase.
The only ambiguous part of this process, is if the seller does not do their part first, and the buyer gets left in the dark waiting for notification.
If they don’t contact you within a week or so, ring them instead.

It sounds more and more onerous…

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

It sounds more and more onerous…

You got that right. They should have designed the system so that buyer or seller could initiate the transfer without the unnecessary complexity. I've done 8 transfers now, 7 as seller and 1 as buyer. I still don't know which ones have been completed unless I call and ask for an update.