Most gun shops will carry handguns in NZ but they aren't on show.Two classes of licence can own handguns B = can be used at a pistol club and C = owned but never used [collected]Neither licence endorsement is that easy to obtain any more.
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Most gun shops will carry handguns in NZ but they aren't on show.Two classes of licence can own handguns B = can be used at a pistol club and C = owned but never used [collected]Neither licence endorsement is that easy to obtain any more.
awesome reading, its a shame that in-proper and unfit people can fake it till they make it when applying for a FAL..... coz at the end of the day its that unfit person who shines through, as shown in this case with the two spotlighters
Can you give me some advice Ryan? how to you determine that firearm ownership is a privilege?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
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well its bloody good to see a judge use the commonsense approach.LIke DIU -the m ajority of us licensed persons know when ere told 'dont do it ,we are waitingfor you" we dont.
whats more gutchurning is this is almost the identical setting to the now infamous tragedy,yet people still want to "do it"
Can I ask a dumb question?
Lets say I'm on public land hunting until last light. On the walk back to hut/tent/bivvy I'm walking with a head torch on, rifle is still loaded in the magazine - am I technically spotlighting or not? Would hate to get rangered for this even though I'm not hunting.
That is a good question Scottrods. I think it would likely come down to the individual rangers interpretation. To me you are not spot lighting
Well are you hunting or not ? If you are not hunting, why don't you just unload the magazine... Seems to me that would be the simple way to avoid any confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottrods
I don't think you'd get pinged for that one but is it something worth risking? I'm sure if you wanna be on the safe side, mag out, debomb and remove the bolt.
There was an assertion made on this thread that firearms ownership in New Zealand is a privilege; not a right. Just wondering if anyone can tell me where that came from?
If it was a right wouldn't you be able to do something if they refused to give you a firearms licence?
Its the right of every fit and proper person.
If your not fit and proper you don't have the right.:)
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So you think it is a right but it only applies to a fit and proper person? Is that some sort of legal restriction ?Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Who is "they" ? Do you mean the police ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Yep just like your right to have consensual sex with who ever you like it still has to be within the law ie not a 5 year oldQuote:
Originally Posted by krewzr
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Well yeah I guess its the police that say yes or no
I thought your right to have sex with anyone you like was also subject to consent from the other person.. as well as the restrictions such as age limits prescribed by law.
So where can I find this legal restriction that says I have a right to own a firearm if I am a fit and proper person?
I understood that if police refused to give someone a firearms licence then that person could appeal to the District Court or ask for judicial review in the High Court?
If it was a right everyone would have guns
How do you figure that? Surely its a right to have a car or a fishing rod.. not everyone has a car and a fishing rod ? Or do you think having a car and a fishing rod is a privilege?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
They are different things, you are just being an anal fuck about it.
Wow.. that's a pretty strong reaction. I only asked a question. Why do you think I'm being an anal fuck because I asked a question comparing what you said about owning a firearm to owning a car and a fishing rod... it's OK to say "I don't know" if you don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
I don't know.
On ya Richard "The word smith"Quote:
Originally Posted by krewzr
Cast your bait you get a bite eventually.. Toby how rude ... :P Play nicely ...
Yep that's what "consensual sex" means. I may have miss spelled Im not sure Im not an English teacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by krewzr
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Stay tuned then... hopefully some-one else will be able to enlighten both of us. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
So where can I find this legal restriction that says I have a right to own a firearm if I am a fit and proper person?Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Not sure what your getting at here, is it some legal definition of a right or something?
Im not a lawyer either.
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Ha ha he knows the answers already hes trolling guys.. Must be too rough at sea today to be actually trolling catching some fish.
Richard you hunting the roar this year ? Hows your hunting been lately down there ? Its pretty dry up here at present but a few Animals starting to come out to play .
I already figured that and have been waiting for enlightenment .
Doesn't seem to want to share tho.
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I'll chuck in my two cents. A right is, "something to which one has a just claim", or, "something that you are morally or legally allowed to do". So by the definitions, which are one and the same, owning a firearm isn't a right. We have the right to attempt to get a firearms license, when we have a license we have a right to a firearm. So because there is a legal requirement that is not met by everyone (having a license) it is not a universal right.
Ohh ffs.
Can we PLEASE leave NSA stuff to the NSA forums ?
Getting fucking sick and tired of reading on something somewhere where Krewzr leaps up asking about rights and privileges which then descends into a stupid shit fight. Richard you've got your own pool to play in, why pester people in other forums ? It's the same questions and the same answers over and over again.
It's really getting tedious.
Are you talking about owning a firearm or possessing a valid firearms licence. Why don't you stop asking stupid questions that you know the answer to.Quote:
Originally Posted by krewzr
There is no such thing as "rights" as far as im concerned. "Rights" were created by people for people and some of you on here seem to look up to them as some sort of magical talisman to guide you through life. Just more words scrawled on some paper somewhere. Meaningless bullshit.
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Originally Posted by Kscott
Seriously we were waiting for his conversation to drop into informative stuff like well Hunting and Shooting with maybe some bush craft tips, Equipment reports, a story of the latest back breaking trip into the bush and the success, maybe some bush receipes
a few good possum trapping spots and you know hunting and shooting stuff. He may have even shared some pics of his latest hunting rig in a hunting situation ...
Oh shit sorry am I being sarcastic... Do I have that as a right or is it just a priveledge.. Now I ve confused my self .. :wtfsmilie: :roll:
Supposed to going out on Mnt White for the roar.. buts its way too hot; will have to take the nightvision me thinks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy
So if there is no right to posses a firearm, why does the Arms Act say that a person cannot possess a firearm without a licence? Surely if the right does not exist in the first place, then there is no requirement to place a restriction on the right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eion
Why do you think firearms ownership is exclusively NSA stuff ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
Unless Im not understanding this right you're agreeing with what he said. you have the right to apply for the licence but its not a right to own a firearmQuote:
Originally Posted by krewzr
I thought firearms ownership was an inherent right in a free democratic society... but subject to any over-riding limitation in law. So there is a right to own a firearm, but to exercise that right, a person must have a firearms licence which provides an exemption from the general restriction preventing the exercise of that right - imposed by the Arms Act... but I stand to be corrected if anyone can provide an alternative explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
It may not be the case but the point is this forum has a rule of no political discussions as experience has proven that it always ends in abuse and thats not wanted or tolerated here.Quote:
Originally Posted by krewzr
Discussions on rights etc are open to personal interpretation so chances are high individuals will disagree, possibly why there are wars everywhere but who wants to talk about that.
See even my example on wars can open a fight cos one individual supports one side and so on.
Do this : informative stuff like well Hunting and Shooting with maybe some bush craft tips, Equipment reports, a story of the latest back breaking trip into the bush and the success, maybe some bush receipes
a few good possum trapping spots and you know hunting and shooting stuff. Out doorsy stuff equipment stuff and on and on .
Dont do this :
1. So where can I find this legal restriction that says I have a right to own a firearm if I am a fit and proper person?
2. There was an assertion made on this thread that firearms ownership in New Zealand is a privilege; not a right. Just wondering if anyone can tell me where that came from?
Or any of that other stuff you posted. Majority dont want it. Just upsets folks and I m pretty confident you know the law statutes and all the info/ answers possibly better than most so you re just winding folks up..
Why not try using the forum in the spirit of others without all of the winding people up.. Happens nearly every post you participate in.
Just my thoughts take it or leave it but carry on and some one will start a thread asking for votes about your place on this forum me thinks..
Hope you get in the hills for a roar hunt , hot or cold good to just do it ...