There is some case law, or a judge saying that it isnt a right but a privilege. Im not up on the ins and outs of english and maybe legal english but it would seem there is a clear difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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There is some case law, or a judge saying that it isnt a right but a privilege. Im not up on the ins and outs of english and maybe legal english but it would seem there is a clear difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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Its NZ law or how a judge has said he see's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by krewzr
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Originally Posted by Tussock
It would seem so. Impossible to track. He is bouncing everywhere. We should be nice and apologise before his IT genius is unleashed on us. He may tap in to N koreas red button?
Oh well Tussock, kettle on? Coffee this time? :D
I believe he is of reasonable intellect. Not too sure on his people/communication skills.
So, anyone got dibs on the likelihood of the arms acts being repealed?
Hes on 2 Degrees - hardly a genius
Clicked the ban button
Nice look Richard
Krewzer, Sood and BS101 all the same IPs today...
Well done for making yourself look like an idiot
Just caught up on the last four or so pages. Wow ten out of ten for tenacity. Ten out of ten for stupidity. Bristling with anticipation. Hope to meet someday. Long memory
Don't forget, the NSA are here to save ourselves from ourselves :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
Like a elephant aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Longer Toby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Now that's saying something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
perserverative is the adjective describing the said "legal beagles"festering desire to constantly push his own agenda!
No its nothing like what ya granny puts in jam jars!
Funny you know mid last year I was going to. It was on the list of things to do. Quite glad that it got moved to the maybe when you get round to it list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
Frankly now theres not a chance in hell. Maybe the original intent was noble but they have lost it big time.. Be way too many ego s all beating each other up
Imagine keeping minutes at one of their tea parties ...
I sure as hell wont be, and if asked about it by someone I will steer them clear.
Not me I am Now Somewhat Anti
Geez, What a thread. It makes me sad to read, I'm a paid member of the NSA and I believe in what the NSA is trying to achieve but I just wish he wouldn't go out trying to alienate the other shooting groups like this. If you want to ask some questions and this is the outcome you're doing something wrong.
Yes Tussock, from that little episode I would supporting the NSA would just be supporting an ego. He won a small skirmish, I can see him needling the authorities in the future, I see little else of note.
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Originally Posted by FletchNZ
It is all good constantly asking questions, but every now and then he needs to quieten down and listen. Communication is a two way thing.
Agreed Everyone haves the right to apply for a FAL if after vetting if they are proven to be fit and proper they are then issued a Licence. they are then privileged to hold a licence and exercise good judgement while using and possesing a firearm. if you are found to be in breech of the firearms laws then you can lose your privilege to hold a licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Isn't what they won what's caused this latest lot of rule changes?
Has anyone managed to get compensated after they won that case?
Im just asking cos i don't know.
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VC, I think to be compensated, newly created E-Cat license holders had to give up their E-Cat license and safe after the Lincoln court case ruling.
I love Richard's work, commend him highly, but sometimes I just wish he would speak as a layman or stfu. This isn't the way to get new members.
Not at all. The police were trying to change their interpretation of what features make an A cat semi auto into an E cat. Basically it would have been the end of A cat semis to some minor extent unless you were to not have a pistol grip or thumbhole stock. The adverts were in the papers telling us all about this. NSA challenged this in court and won. The police reinterpretation was deemed illegal. Now they are trying the same thing again but they are trying to do it properly through the right legal channels and close up all the loopholes. It is a blatant gun grab in my view and part of an agenda that has been around for years, if you care to look at trends from other countries that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
He d be a great defence lawyer. Everyone would be so fuking sick of him youd be let go so long as you promised never to bring him back into court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
I thought i heard the cops stood to loose millions compensating people who had to hand in one to destroy ?
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He is his own worst enemy. Had the opportunity to simply say "oh, you think it's a right ? Why not pop over the our forums to discuss it further because . . . ?" and this simple, clear message which is read by many people just might increase public awareness and actual membership numbers (actual, rather than the make believe ones claimed in Parliament). Those people, who are shooters and frequent forums - you know, the target market for NSA membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Guess the problem is, once you tell a lie, it's hard to keep track of which lie is said when and where. Pretty basic stuff for kids, must be a bit trickier for law students :D
The hand ins for a new one?Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
That's a different kettle of fish being covered in the "statement of Claims" which has been filed in Court - I don't know the finer point other than its a separate thing an its in progressQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Put him in a box like the gimp then, and only let him out when he is needed in court. He should stay away from forums other than his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Read it all yesterday, and into the night, thought better to STFU and not comment, plenty of forum members put him in his place.......
regards his site, i mean the NSA, the advice to buy plastic 'drainpipe' and the equivalent of cosmoline to bury A cat ARs was pretty disturbing...
a bit like 'LOOK AT ME, IM BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW, AND I DONT GIVE A FUCK!!!!!!!!......cool, go for it matey....
in actual fact gents the case of R Lincoln Vs NZ police and the judgement of Justice Mallon J .hinges on the expert testimony of one Rodney Woods ,gunsmith (retd)of Loburn nth canterbury.
Rods testimony was such that despite WWW searches and documentary consultation ,the police via the crown were simply unable to refute it.
This is in fact mentioned byJustice Mallon.
Mr grant initiated the challenge but his claims to victory could in this case be somewhat contestable without that witness.
In saying that however it certainly had the desired effect of the learned judge telling the lads in blue to pull their heads in and do what is expected of them ,not play legislators so thats a positive.BTW-i downloaded the judgement and have it in my "firearms "reference file"
Hi Fletch, other than Mikee and Richard, you are the first real NSA member I've come across... Hope you don't mind if I ask you a few questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by FletchNZ
- Do you know anything about the management structure / executive of the organisation ? Are there regional co-ordinators etc ?
- Have you ever attended a NSA meeting (regional or national) ?
- As a member have you ever been sent any AGM minutes or information about the finances ?
I support the principles of the NSA, in theory. I think we as law abiding license holders shouldn't have to put up with illegal behaviour from the police abusing their power. Mr Lincoln stood up on the thumb hole stock issue when everyone else (NZDA, COLFO, etc) didn't do a damn thing.
They don't do themselves any favours in terms of public image, but to be fair the reaction here (sorry Toby) wasn't great from some either. Simple reading comprehension goes a long way. Don't get mad/frustrated at someone if you can't understand them.
I know I over re-acted. But he didn't even answer a question he was asked, he just answered it with another question.
Gimp, are you a member ? If so, same questions I asked Fletch.
I have a strong suspicion that the NSA organisation is a bit of a lark dreamt up by a couple of students who
1) have way too much free time on their hands
2) think that causing shit-fights on forums is fun, and love proving just how "smart" they can be
3) have come up with an ingenious way to drum up support for their future law firm... even bad publicity is still publicity ;)
No, I'm not a member because I think they're dicks. The 'bury your guns' thing on the website, the copy and pasted from the US NRA stuff they used to have up. Etc. Silly word games rather than just stating a point.
I may join though, even though I think they're dicks, because they are at least pro-active in trying to help firearms owners (did the E cat handin case get decided? Was that even them?) and the membership fees probably aren't all that much compared to say, what I spend on ammo every year. If the cost of a brick of .22 ammo contributes to my continued ability to own and shoot that brick of .22 ammo, it's not a bad deal.
No Worries ebf, just a quick reply as i'm heading out the door...
- Do you know anything about the management structure / executive of the organisation ? Are there regional co-ordinators etc ?
I know that Richard seem to be running the show and the organization was formed when he took them to court. He seems to be doing the majority the work, ie 6? odd months ago he was asking what issues people were having, getting evidents from everyone, lodging the statement of claims ( the one addressing the hand ins amoung other things)
- Have you ever attended a NSA meeting (regional or national) AND As a member have you ever been sent any AGM minutes or information about the finances ?
No, Nor would I attend or care. I joined the organization as it was the only one who stood up for shooters who were interested in various firearms effected by the touch our butts campaign when all other groups did nothing. There are no meetings, if anything need to be discussed it was done on the forum. I'm happy to donate $50 (approx) to the cause to help cover costs as I can see things are being done and he spends a lot of time and his own money doing it. I believe in what they are achieving and I because of the touch my butts campaign I was able to my first AR15 2-3 years ago and ended up joining the local Service rifle group, i've meet some great people and I love talking guns all day and I'm thankful for that.
I'm not super active on the forum so some of this may be incorrect but it how I understand it
Tx Fletch, appreciate the answers
Hey gimp, how come your posts don't show "last edited by". I could have sworn reply 260 was shorter the first time...
Is it an admin thing ? Or am I hallucinating :D
I have magic powers.