Thread: Who is responsible/accountable??

So question was asked today. If two licenced chaps are driving along road and cops discover something amiss,like firearm not secure/loaded etc. is it on the driver..the owner. Or both? Genuine question.

IMO surely it sits with the owner of the gun...in saying that maybe the driver should also ask the question

Hamish

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It's the drivers responsibility if a youth isn't wearing a seatbelt, but falls back upon the person not wearing the seatbelt if they're an adult.

So following on that line of logic; I'd say that if the driver has secured their gear or at least has provided the option for the passenger to do so for theirs then the blame would be solely the passenger/owner.

BUT whomever said that the powers that be followed anything logically.

FAL Holder that owns said firearm

In a few years time whoever its registered to

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

So question was asked today. If two licenced chaps are driving along road and cops discover something amiss,like firearm not secure/loaded etc. is it on the driver..the owner. Or both? Genuine question.

Um how would they know this??

Nickolas Taylor covers "firearms in vehicles" in his advice?

27 September 2022
What to do during a visit from the Police

from here https://www.seriousshooters.co.nz/in...p-your-vehicle

They will probably charge both, both for the offence, both for being an accessory, revoke both licenses on the basis that neither are 'Fit and Proper', confiscate all the firearms, carry out a 'warrantless search' of both owners properties and both will end up doing time.....
...........All on the basis that they have to set an example to other FAL's.....

My confidence in the ability of the Police is probably the same as most LFAO's....

Trick q - the LFAO’s were transporting their firearms in accordance with the law as required of them 😉

Just re read the transport rules. So with a single shot I own I always use a trigger lock as no removable bolt and the rifle is stored out of sight. My bolt rifle the bolt is removed, trigger lock fitted and rifle is out of sight.

What else do they think you can do? What I do is better than a locked case on the rear seat of my ute as a locked case looks just like what it is a gun case.

Hi Micky. It's not a tricky situation. If the owner of the firearm admits ownership, then that's fine. It will get dealt with.

If however, he does not, and no one takes responsibility and ownership, the arms act states that the driver of the vehicle is deemed to be in possession of said firearm. If he licensed or not is irrelevant. He will get charged with whatever they can find.

Been in this situation before. Brutal.

I read the deer stalkers guide to transporting firearms. The last few times Ive bought firearms at a shop they have told me I have to have a trigger lock and tried to sell me one. From what i read all you are required to do is make the firearm inoperable. I do that by removing the bolt and putting a long hasp padlock through the action which seems to me to be inoperable as you cant put the bolt in it.

I actually think the driver has an obligation here. Don't assume your mate's rifle is empty / inoperable when he chucks it in the back of your vehicle, but ask to check. Provide him/her with somewhere to put ammunition (e.g. space in a locked glove box) or confirm where it is stored. You should be fully aware of the location & state of everything firearms-related in your vehicle.

The new rules say nothing about whose firearm it is:

Originally Posted by mopheadrob

I actually think the driver has an obligation here. Don't assume your mate's rifle is empty / inoperable when he chucks it in the back of your vehicle, but ask to check. Provide him/her with somewhere to put ammunition (e.g. space in a locked glove box) or confirm where it is stored. You should be fully aware of the location & state of everything firearms-related in your vehicle.

The new rules say nothing about whose firearm it is:

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In some ways I agree, if the driver is not a FAL then there is no requirement for him to know that and as such it would still fall to the FAholder to provide that information / ask about where to put ammo....

Have you noticed how it is plural for the fal holder(s)but singular for the vehicle….